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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin

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Willis your host and we have an exciting

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show for you this evening we have

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William J hall and he is the author of

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the paranormal bestseller the world's

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most haunted house and this is a true

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story of the Bridgeport poltergeist on

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Lindsay Street our Lindley Street that

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is and this is in Connecticut happened

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in the 70s really amazing things have

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happened in this house and I actually

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spoke just Paul you know who was

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actually there when the refrigerator

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lifted up and police officers have

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witnessed what's going on there also a

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fireman I think there was many many

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witnesses and our guest tonight has

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spoken to a number of them a welcome to

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the show bill oh you want to be called

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bill don't you oh yes yes thanks so much

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for for being on I'm really excited to

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talk about this because it's a real

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exciting case and first of all a little

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bit about yourself now you were into

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magic for many years and I think that

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actually gives you an edge because I my

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friend that was into magic I would

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discuss certain things with him and he

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would tell me

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yeah well that can be done through this

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way or that way so so tell tell the

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listeners a little bit about yourself if

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you would yes I started to I started to

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magic when I was seven very corley but

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and I was always a curious child you

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know I loved magic and like most

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children I also loved in search of

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witches show when I was growing up now

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they have History Channel and you know a

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lot of those kinds of things you know

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with the unknown and and that always

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fascinated me and I would get asked a

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lot of questions when I did shows about

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you know is this real is this you know

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what do you think about this and I was

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open-minded what I really demanded you

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know some real solid evidence

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and I knew how easy it was to fool

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people because I didn't think I was

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amazing you know as a kid and I was able

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to fool people so I realize the

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faultiness of our brains when it comes

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to interpretation but I also started

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writing for some local newspapers in

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exchange for advertising and I was

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writing a column called magic and the

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unknown and and I would debunk a lot of

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things and you know occasionally I would

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come across a story that would make me

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go huh you know it's kind of weird I

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didn't get to the end you know where it

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was a debunk it was more like I don't

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know you know I mean didn't mean it was

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true but it was you know pretty

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interesting and some of those later on I

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bumped and you know some of those I

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never did they they seemed like they

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were you know legitimately interesting

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kinds of stories and Lindley Street I

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never really looked into but I'm

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Facebook somebody was posting it I

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remember a lot of people asked me about

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it and I didn't really have much

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interest in looking into it because as a

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magician I yeah I figured any bigot

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throw plates around and call the

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newspaper and but then again I never

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really researched it either it was a

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case of really just not not caring but

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later on I realized with Google and

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everything I mean look into it I never

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really looked into it and when I did I

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saw a lot of names a lot of witnesses I

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saw a lot of newspaper stories and

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didn't mean it was true but when I saw

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all those names of witnesses and what

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worthy of further inquiry in other words

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wasn't that's okay but I it seemed like

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there was a heck of a story there just

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by reading the newspapers so that's kind

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of the evolution of it and yeah I was a

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weird kid I guess I'm a weird adult you

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know when they come across something

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like that I'd like to you know you like

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to look into it so I finally had the

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time and

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and the interest and looked into it and

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goldmine there because I ended up

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getting in touch her voice baby whose

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name was in one of the later newspapers

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on Lindley Street and he had 30 hours of

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interviews with witnesses that have

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never been heard with the family - that

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have never been heard so nobody really

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knew the full story of when Lee Street

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interviews and voice said he learned by

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reading my book

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- I'm not boasting it's just that nobody

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really had the full story it wasn't told

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because the formally wouldn't talk and

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and you know so nobody really knew the

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whole story so the book is written from

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40 hours of interviews there's nothing

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made up in there I mean the weather the

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place literally just one or two weeks

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little bit later but it was videos very

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fresh at the time and a lot of those

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people you know weren't alive when when

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I was researching this so it really was

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a unique fine to be able to have such a

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well-documented investigation going on

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of witnesses and a lot of documentation

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both written and then to have 40 hours

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of witness interviews and I've been I

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think I started with about 68 witnesses

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sons of police officers and you know

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family members and yeah then you're

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talking you know over 150 and the

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stories that they tell that confirm and

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cross-reference what was uncovered is

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really unbelievable yes and can you tell

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the listener out

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exactly I know this started in 1974 but

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the family adopted a child and and just

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if you would just go into the whole

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story on what exactly happened there

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it's a Laura and Gerry puddin and he is

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a housewife and they have a little child

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years old and of multiple sclerosis and

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bad fever is really sad and they they

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Canada from Ontario so they adopt her

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old and behind the scenes this is before

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that were happening you know a cheer out

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that Jerry thought he pushes in keys

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misplace little things you know things

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black neighborhood and and she didn't

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jr. she was really overprotective of

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square feet so it's a tiny little hole

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priest that changes his story and you

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middle of the city and to just give a

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very short overview and then of course

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we can get into detail what happens is

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all the sudden there's things going on

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comes over and he tells him to wait on

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the porch he goes in he's he's blown

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refrigerators moving and you know things

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are happening he doesn't know what to do

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see calls for backup backup police come

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they don't know what to do so they call

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comes they don't know what to do so they

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department the priest comes to service

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places you know scary you know you know

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friend of mine now I met him through the

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research in the book and and and he came

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to so this story evolved from a natural

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progression of people that kept come

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happening and saying what do we do and

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trying to call other people because they

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don't know what to do meanwhile people

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police officers and firefighters or

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anything out there starting to tell

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these stories you know saying I saw this

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I saw that so word gets around the

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newspapers start showing up before you

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know if there's 2,000 people up and down

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outside the house I mean this became a

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real public poltergeist case and it was

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that's what was so unusual about it is

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it was so very public public as far as

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the number and quality and amount of

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witnesses as well as you know the town's

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being involved you know with police

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protection every day and the road being

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blocked off I mean it was a huge crazy

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spectacle that literally went virtually

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around the world ended up in Australian

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newspapers and Canada was in all the

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states and so it was a really it was

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truly unique when it comes to these

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cases when you look at documentation and

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and witnesses this case has so many

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witnesses and they they're all seeing

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the same things you know there's if

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sometimes their third word eleven

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witnesses that would see you know one

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thing happened like Marci being picked

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up and thrown across the room but who

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knows what it was you know visible force

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so when you see something like that you

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said well who's the witness you know

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what was it one guy or yeah you didn't

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see the whole thing or you know no we're

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talking you know roomful of people

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police officers firefighters I mean as a

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tiny little place it wasn't like anybody

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was faking anything wasn't as a magician

273
00:13:28,830 --> 00:13:26,860
I could say hey yeah I can make a

274
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picture fall off the wall and I you know

275
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I can make a rocking chair Rock and yeah

276
00:13:35,940 --> 00:13:34,600
I could do those things but when you

277
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look at the totality of the evidence

278
00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:40,210
here fakery was I know was not involved

279
00:13:43,860 --> 00:13:42,250
I mean we all could argue as to what it

280
00:13:48,060 --> 00:13:43,870
was but I

281
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you I know 100% as a fact that it was

282
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not a hoax hope what exactly a what

283
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course that's where were you know that

284
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would be up for debate now I heard

285
00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:02,500
somewhere or read somewhere that the

286
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police ended up calling it a hoax just

287
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to get people to stop hanging around the

288
00:14:16,380 --> 00:14:12,600
place is that is that a true story - yes

289
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and and it wasn't it wasn't really the

290
00:14:22,140 --> 00:14:19,380
police department idea although at first

291
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they suspected the child because that

292
00:14:26,730 --> 00:14:24,339
work that would be a natural usually

293
00:14:28,290 --> 00:14:26,740
parents are the last ones that suspect

294
00:14:31,050 --> 00:14:28,300
their children and you know a lot of

295
00:14:34,019 --> 00:14:31,060
times they're having their have it's not

296
00:14:36,329 --> 00:14:34,029
common but there have been cases where

297
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kids would throw things around and then

298
00:14:39,900 --> 00:14:37,750
say it was a ghost or whatever would

299
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fooled the parents and then once anyone

300
00:14:43,710 --> 00:14:41,770
came in whether it was police or

301
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paranormal investigator whatever it

302
00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:46,510
became obvious it was a child yes there

303
00:14:52,220 --> 00:14:48,010
has been that so I mean the police

304
00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:52,230
originally kind of suspected Marcy but

305
00:14:56,910 --> 00:14:54,850
quickly that was dispelled by the

306
00:14:58,980 --> 00:14:56,920
activity they were seeing especially a

307
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lot of the activity when Marcy wasn't in

308
00:15:06,050 --> 00:15:02,020
the room or even wasn't in the house but

309
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after a few days of us going on to

310
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officers that never were in the house

311
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before went in and they saw Marcy

312
00:15:20,670 --> 00:15:17,890
kicking a TV while she was sitting on

313
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the floor there and they asked her they

314
00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:22,870
said you know the the the officer said I

315
00:15:27,660 --> 00:15:26,050
saw you do that and she giggled and he

316
00:15:29,850 --> 00:15:27,670
said you know why did you do that and

317
00:15:32,220 --> 00:15:29,860
she said I want to see what Beeman would

318
00:15:37,110 --> 00:15:32,230
do you know but they took that as oh

319
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look it's her and then of course the you

320
00:15:41,250 --> 00:15:39,550
know the public doesn't the public just

321
00:15:43,860 --> 00:15:41,260
goes with what you say they don't think

322
00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:43,870
about the other officers that said we

323
00:15:47,550 --> 00:15:45,730
saw this refrigerator float you know

324
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what I mean so a lot of the police

325
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officers is about 26 police officers in

326
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the Bridgeport Police Department that

327
00:15:56,970 --> 00:15:54,160
were pretty ticked off that they were

328
00:15:57,900 --> 00:15:56,980
made to look stupid by you know coming

329
00:16:04,440 --> 00:15:57,910
out with a hoax too

330
00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:04,450
but you know they understood that it was

331
00:16:09,810 --> 00:16:07,330
almost a necessary evolution

332
00:16:13,590 --> 00:16:09,820
unfortunately because the crowds kept

333
00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:13,600
getting bigger and you know the news

334
00:16:19,290 --> 00:16:17,050
went across the country and and the

335
00:16:21,270 --> 00:16:19,300
superintendent wanted a city back I mean

336
00:16:23,220 --> 00:16:21,280
what do you do you can't tell people we

337
00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:23,230
don't know what it is because more

338
00:16:28,980 --> 00:16:27,250
people keep showing up and so so when

339
00:16:32,670 --> 00:16:28,990
the officers called in they said oh I

340
00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:32,680
think the kids doing it then the

341
00:16:37,460 --> 00:16:35,410
detective that was supposed to close the

342
00:16:43,470 --> 00:16:37,470
case because he was told in no uncertain

343
00:16:46,470 --> 00:16:43,480
terms by superintendent Walsh at the

344
00:16:48,420 --> 00:16:46,480
time in Bridgeport he said I want you to

345
00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:48,430
shut this down you need to make this go

346
00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:51,130
away so I mean he he had to get rid of

347
00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:52,720
it even though he knew it was real

348
00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:55,330
because he he heard all the explanation

349
00:17:00,210 --> 00:16:57,610
so when they called him with the story

350
00:17:02,490 --> 00:17:00,220
he said well now I've got my opportunity

351
00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:02,500
so yeah we'll roll with that you know

352
00:17:09,750 --> 00:17:06,730
and and that and that's what they did

353
00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:09,760
was announced the hoax the interesting

354
00:17:14,820 --> 00:17:12,970
thing about it though is after publicly

355
00:17:19,250 --> 00:17:14,830
announcing a the hoax the police

356
00:17:22,380 --> 00:17:19,260
department set up a conference room and

357
00:17:25,500 --> 00:17:22,390
mandated that any police officers that

358
00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:25,510
were in the house and saw activity were

359
00:17:32,310 --> 00:17:27,730
to be interviewed by voice beatty and

360
00:17:34,140 --> 00:17:32,320
his jerry sulfon and keith Harare the

361
00:17:38,250 --> 00:17:34,150
three gentlemen who did the

362
00:17:40,170 --> 00:17:38,260
investigation so the police or the

363
00:17:45,210 --> 00:17:40,180
police department certainly would not

364
00:17:48,390 --> 00:17:45,220
mandate these non-optional interviews

365
00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:48,400
with paranormal investigators after it

366
00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:50,770
was announced a hoax if it was a hoax

367
00:17:56,130 --> 00:17:54,250
and now I found out early on and that's

368
00:17:57,950 --> 00:17:56,140
what intrigued me to look into the story

369
00:18:02,340 --> 00:17:57,960
further I said that doesn't make sense

370
00:18:03,780 --> 00:18:02,350
because I talked to officer Joseph Tomac

371
00:18:05,910 --> 00:18:03,790
one of the first responding police

372
00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:05,920
officers and he said you know we were

373
00:18:09,540 --> 00:18:07,330
forced to be interviewed

374
00:18:11,850 --> 00:18:09,550
he said officers were taken off the

375
00:18:15,299 --> 00:18:11,860
street and then later on when

376
00:18:18,270 --> 00:18:15,309
I got the interviews I realized that you

377
00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:18,280
know that confirmed the story and there

378
00:18:22,230 --> 00:18:20,170
were other confirmations of that so

379
00:18:24,270 --> 00:18:22,240
that's what was unique about this case -

380
00:18:28,380 --> 00:18:24,280
it wasn't just one police officer saying

381
00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:28,390
we were forced to be interviewed you

382
00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:29,770
listen to the tapes and there was

383
00:18:34,980 --> 00:18:33,010
numerous officers and and you know she

384
00:18:36,870 --> 00:18:34,990
confirmed it with the investigators you

385
00:18:38,940 --> 00:18:36,880
confirm it with the police officers

386
00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:38,950
there was multiple ways to

387
00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:41,170
cross-reference the information so it

388
00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:42,640
was fascinating but that's the way the

389
00:18:48,690 --> 00:18:45,280
hoax story came about somebody actually

390
00:18:50,010 --> 00:18:48,700
tried to set the house on fire so you

391
00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:50,020
know that gives you example it was

392
00:18:53,789 --> 00:18:52,570
really becoming a dangerous scene you

393
00:18:59,909 --> 00:18:53,799
know anytime you get a big crowd

394
00:19:02,549 --> 00:18:59,919
together you know they're so yeah they

395
00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:02,559
really wanted to get rid of it plus you

396
00:19:07,020 --> 00:19:04,330
can imagine it was an embarrassment to

397
00:19:08,610 --> 00:19:07,030
the city of Bridgeport you know what

398
00:19:11,610 --> 00:19:08,620
they have to have police at the house

399
00:19:15,690 --> 00:19:11,620
every day I mean really you know you

400
00:19:17,370 --> 00:19:15,700
know that's an expense and it doesn't

401
00:19:19,289 --> 00:19:17,380
make you look too good so they really

402
00:19:21,030 --> 00:19:19,299
wanted to go away you know they even

403
00:19:23,100 --> 00:19:21,040
tried to plead with the newspapers would

404
00:19:25,230 --> 00:19:23,110
you please you know tone it down and

405
00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:25,240
stop you know reporting on this of

406
00:19:30,210 --> 00:19:26,890
course they really didn't because I mean

407
00:19:32,190 --> 00:19:30,220
everybody wants to know so but that's

408
00:19:34,710 --> 00:19:32,200
all that came back an you imagine what

409
00:19:37,830 --> 00:19:34,720
things would be like today with social

410
00:19:41,930 --> 00:19:37,840
media and the Internet it would be you

411
00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:45,360
yeah yeah and what was interesting is

412
00:19:51,030 --> 00:19:47,440
you know the 2,000 people outside the

413
00:19:54,690 --> 00:19:51,040
house and that story going all around

414
00:19:57,780 --> 00:19:54,700
all the states it was very fast I mean

415
00:20:00,750 --> 00:19:57,790
it was from the first day you know in

416
00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:00,760
the morning when things really when

417
00:20:07,890 --> 00:20:03,130
there was a lot of activity to later on

418
00:20:10,110 --> 00:20:07,900
once once New York reporter showed up

419
00:20:13,740 --> 00:20:10,120
and it went on the 80-wire this story

420
00:20:15,690 --> 00:20:13,750
was just everywhere so yeah today it

421
00:20:21,330 --> 00:20:15,700
would have there would have been 2,000

422
00:20:23,970 --> 00:20:21,340
people there within an hour now the

423
00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:23,980
first person I did this the everything

424
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:25,280
else show with

425
00:20:32,590 --> 00:20:28,850
was Paul and his son Ben Eno and Paul

426
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:32,600
was actually there at the house where I

427
00:20:36,460 --> 00:20:34,640
think that he said police officers and

428
00:20:38,740 --> 00:20:36,470
firefighters were there when they all

429
00:20:41,250 --> 00:20:38,750
saw the I think he said it was a 400

430
00:20:43,810 --> 00:20:41,260
pound refrigerator lift up and move and

431
00:20:46,210 --> 00:20:43,820
to me something like that would almost

432
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:46,220
be life-changing in itself if I saw

433
00:20:56,020 --> 00:20:51,770
something like that yes and and that

434
00:20:59,770 --> 00:20:56,030
happened many times so when Paul saw it

435
00:21:01,990 --> 00:20:59,780
was a different time when before police

436
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:02,000
officer saw which is a different time

437
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:05,770
when the plumbing and electrical

438
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:08,720
inspector saw it so I mean there were it

439
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:13,250
was happening numerous times and and

440
00:21:19,780 --> 00:21:15,530
they all described it and and that was

441
00:21:22,060 --> 00:21:19,790
interesting voice babies you couldn't

442
00:21:23,890 --> 00:21:22,070
have had a magician conduct that and get

443
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:23,900
any better than him I mean he really

444
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:26,480
when somebody said refrigerator floated

445
00:21:30,430 --> 00:21:27,770
he said we'll wait a minute

446
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:30,440
what did you see did it go up evenly

447
00:21:36,580 --> 00:21:33,290
gave one one end go up first

448
00:21:39,790 --> 00:21:36,590
did it make noise how high did it go I

449
00:21:44,500 --> 00:21:39,800
mean he really conducted that they all

450
00:21:46,750 --> 00:21:44,510
did as a real scientific investigation

451
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:46,760
they did it right because otherwise as a

452
00:21:51,910 --> 00:21:49,010
magician if you told me a frigerator

453
00:21:54,220 --> 00:21:51,920
would flow I would say that's your

454
00:21:57,310 --> 00:21:54,230
conclusion I don't know what you

455
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:57,320
actually saw I just know your experience

456
00:22:01,780 --> 00:22:00,080
told you refrigerator floated you know

457
00:22:03,820 --> 00:22:01,790
if I do a magic trick I can make you

458
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:03,830
think I turned back time but that's just

459
00:22:08,260 --> 00:22:05,690
the way present the trick that's really

460
00:22:09,940 --> 00:22:08,270
not what happened so uh or I can tell

461
00:22:12,340 --> 00:22:09,950
you I never touched the envelope when

462
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:12,350
really I did but you just really didn't

463
00:22:19,810 --> 00:22:16,090
see it because it was on an offbeat so

464
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:19,820
he didn't let people get away not people

465
00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:21,290
get away with it but in other words at

466
00:22:29,710 --> 00:22:26,240
the table lifted up and turned he wanted

467
00:22:32,620 --> 00:22:29,720
to know did it turn with a speed that

468
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:32,630
was faster than how gravity would have

469
00:22:37,630 --> 00:22:35,090
taken it once it got off or did it go

470
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:37,640
extra fast did it make a noise did it go

471
00:22:41,710 --> 00:22:39,170
even did one side go

472
00:22:43,900 --> 00:22:41,720
he really wanted details he didn't care

473
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:43,910
what you thought you saw he wants to

474
00:22:49,030 --> 00:22:46,970
know detail by detail you know what you

475
00:22:51,730 --> 00:22:49,040
saw what you didn't see did you see it

476
00:22:53,950 --> 00:22:51,740
from the beginning so that to me was

477
00:22:56,140 --> 00:22:53,960
fascinating because I was really nervous

478
00:22:59,530 --> 00:22:56,150
that I was going to get answers like the

479
00:23:00,910 --> 00:22:59,540
table floated and he would say Wow get

480
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:00,920
on I mean because then we really would

481
00:23:07,570 --> 00:23:03,650
have known what happened so he really

482
00:23:10,330 --> 00:23:07,580
got into it so kudos to my good friend

483
00:23:13,660 --> 00:23:10,340
boy so I've had the pleasure to lecture

484
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:13,670
with a few times and also give him the

485
00:23:20,290 --> 00:23:15,970
recognition that he never got because

486
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:20,300
that investigation was done with the

487
00:23:24,250 --> 00:23:22,490
family and those interviews were done

488
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:24,260
with the understanding that they would

489
00:23:29,380 --> 00:23:27,650
met that they would not go public the

490
00:23:33,220 --> 00:23:29,390
you know the family didn't wanna course

491
00:23:36,910 --> 00:23:33,230
down family is disease so he felt the

492
00:23:39,910 --> 00:23:36,920
story course now could be told but so

493
00:23:45,700 --> 00:23:39,920
that that's that part

494
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:45,710
well now usually when there is some type

495
00:23:50,830 --> 00:23:48,770
of haunting in a house they always try

496
00:23:53,410 --> 00:23:50,840
to attribute it for instance my father

497
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:53,420
had house I might get into the story a

498
00:23:58,060 --> 00:23:55,730
little bit where there was an Indian

499
00:23:59,890 --> 00:23:58,070
attack and the children were murdered on

500
00:24:03,940 --> 00:23:59,900
a terrible situation in Kittery Maine

501
00:24:06,220 --> 00:24:03,950
years ago did they attribute what it

502
00:24:07,450 --> 00:24:06,230
what did they attribute to this haunting

503
00:24:16,270 --> 00:24:07,460
when they were trying to figure things

504
00:24:18,670 --> 00:24:16,280
out well I would say we definitely know

505
00:24:21,790 --> 00:24:18,680
that the culmination of when this

506
00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:21,800
activity really took off you know when

507
00:24:26,740 --> 00:24:24,110
things really were were happening which

508
00:24:32,260 --> 00:24:26,750
was after the family came back from a

509
00:24:35,470 --> 00:24:32,270
trip to New York but Marcy was beat up

510
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:35,480
at school she was stuck at home in this

511
00:24:42,550 --> 00:24:37,850
tiny little place with the overbearing

512
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:42,560
mother and they you know they didn't get

513
00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:43,570
along too well

514
00:24:51,850 --> 00:24:48,710
she was pretty neurotic and an

515
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:51,860
overbearing the father was you know a

516
00:24:54,930 --> 00:24:53,170
great guy but he

517
00:25:00,330 --> 00:24:54,940
even I don't think he had too much power

518
00:25:04,590 --> 00:25:00,340
in that in that team there but so she

519
00:25:07,710 --> 00:25:04,600
was very she held everything in she was

520
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:07,720
quiet she was you know suffering through

521
00:25:14,940 --> 00:25:12,090
all this and I think you know that that

522
00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:14,950
negative energy or whatever you want to

523
00:25:23,460 --> 00:25:20,110
call it type of energy sent out the

524
00:25:26,730 --> 00:25:23,470
right frequency and attractive you know

525
00:25:29,820 --> 00:25:26,740
the right entity or entities that appear

526
00:25:31,980 --> 00:25:29,830
to as my good friend Paul would say that

527
00:25:35,630 --> 00:25:31,990
appear to feed on on this kind of stuff

528
00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:35,640
at least that's what it appears so I

529
00:25:41,940 --> 00:25:39,370
would attribute it more to the family

530
00:25:45,020 --> 00:25:41,950
situation and dynamic and the

531
00:25:48,750 --> 00:25:45,030
frustration and you know repression that

532
00:25:51,270 --> 00:25:48,760
that Marci was was feeling based on

533
00:25:53,790 --> 00:25:51,280
everything that culminated up to here

534
00:25:57,180 --> 00:25:53,800
being picked on of school being shy not

535
00:25:59,490 --> 00:25:57,190
having many friends and then being stuck

536
00:26:01,860 --> 00:25:59,500
in this little house with the body brace

537
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:01,870
from being beat up and this is when it

538
00:26:08,550 --> 00:26:05,440
all exploded was you know right after

539
00:26:11,310 --> 00:26:08,560
that so I mean some people say well you

540
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:11,320
know I think it was the dead Jerry jr.

541
00:26:15,060 --> 00:26:13,360
and even the family one point thought

542
00:26:16,650 --> 00:26:15,070
maybe was that but of course you know

543
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:16,660
you reach out for all different things

544
00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:19,120
because nobody really knew but in the

545
00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:25,110
classic poltergeist sense Marci

546
00:26:31,950 --> 00:26:29,230
not that she willingly caused it but I

547
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:31,960
would say it definitely had to do with

548
00:26:38,580 --> 00:26:33,970
you know the energy she was putting

549
00:26:45,170 --> 00:26:38,590
forth and and later on when Marci was

550
00:26:50,930 --> 00:26:45,180
found she act she did suffer from

551
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:50,940
epilepsy and in multiple sclerosis which

552
00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:53,410
epilepsy or frontal lobe disorders

553
00:26:59,730 --> 00:26:58,210
seemed to and I say seem to because it's

554
00:27:03,860 --> 00:26:59,740
hard to get a lot of data when you're

555
00:27:07,049 --> 00:27:03,870
talking about things like poltergeists

556
00:27:09,810 --> 00:27:07,059
but it's certainly

557
00:27:13,860 --> 00:27:09,820
years to be more common based on the

558
00:27:16,499 --> 00:27:13,870
little data that we have we do find the

559
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:16,509
you know the people who would have been

560
00:27:21,659 --> 00:27:18,970
called that quote-unquote agent I don't

561
00:27:26,999 --> 00:27:21,669
I don't know if I abide by that agent

562
00:27:29,999 --> 00:27:27,009
philosophy but yeah whichever that that

563
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,009
it's quite often that they have epilepsy

564
00:27:36,060 --> 00:27:32,559
or a frontal lobe disorder and it and it

565
00:27:38,610 --> 00:27:36,070
seems to be and I say seem to because

566
00:27:41,369 --> 00:27:38,620
again this is more you know anecdotal

567
00:27:45,659 --> 00:27:41,379
than real Native but it appears like an

568
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:45,669
empath seem to have a lot of physical

569
00:27:53,159 --> 00:27:49,090
problems like fibromyalgia and and some

570
00:27:54,180 --> 00:27:53,169
sometimes frontal lobe issues so you

571
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:54,190
know I don't know which comes first

572
00:28:00,930 --> 00:27:57,730
chicken or the egg but it did turn out

573
00:28:04,159 --> 00:28:00,940
to that Marcy did have epilepsy which

574
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:04,169
which I found very interesting because

575
00:28:11,340 --> 00:28:08,970
in my research I found that that I

576
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,350
wouldn't say it's all the time the case

577
00:28:15,539 --> 00:28:13,600
but you know when you find epilepsy

578
00:28:18,299 --> 00:28:15,549
being there in six or seven or eight

579
00:28:20,460 --> 00:28:18,309
cases you'd say well that's odd yeah you

580
00:28:22,649 --> 00:28:20,470
know it wasn't like that many you know

581
00:28:25,230 --> 00:28:22,659
based on the sample size not like

582
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:25,240
everybody has epilepsy you know so right

583
00:28:31,769 --> 00:28:28,240
so I think that I think that was the

584
00:28:34,259 --> 00:28:31,779
cause you know you can argue that you

585
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:34,269
know the land and the underground stream

586
00:28:40,169 --> 00:28:37,840
and that there was the right geo factors

587
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:40,179
and I'm sure that there obviously are

588
00:28:44,580 --> 00:28:42,610
other factors and just you know a child

589
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:44,590
being upset because otherwise there'd be

590
00:28:48,989 --> 00:28:47,200
poltergeists everywhere so we know that

591
00:28:52,739 --> 00:28:48,999
there's other ingredients and we may not

592
00:28:57,299 --> 00:28:52,749
even have them all but I would say that

593
00:28:59,100 --> 00:28:57,309
really was the catalyst and nothing's

594
00:29:03,480 --> 00:28:59,110
ever happened in that house before or

595
00:29:05,580 --> 00:29:03,490
after so I and maybe it could happen

596
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:05,590
again if you get the right mixture in

597
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:08,320
there but I think you know I would say

598
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:11,200
that it's pretty clear that that you

599
00:29:16,889 --> 00:29:13,450
know was the common thread that kind of

600
00:29:20,780 --> 00:29:16,899
really started the activity okay now I

601
00:29:24,350 --> 00:29:20,790
know she was Iroquois Native American or

602
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:24,360
she was the from Canada do you happen to

603
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:29,850
know if there is any folklore in the

604
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:35,010
Iroquois tribe so to speak whether they

605
00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:40,290
had any similar situations or did you

606
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:47,840
yes I did when the book was originally

607
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:52,290
published I didn't have I didn't have

608
00:30:00,770 --> 00:29:58,080
that information what the family said in

609
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:00,780
the interviews is they said they were

610
00:30:05,630 --> 00:30:03,120
told that she was the youngest of nine

611
00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:05,640
children and she was the only one given

612
00:30:12,170 --> 00:30:08,460
up for adoption and they think she was

613
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:12,180
abused you know so that's that's kind of

614
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:15,840
but that ended up not being true so an

615
00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:17,730
addendum was put in because what

616
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:23,310
happened was I was contacted by one of

617
00:30:31,370 --> 00:30:27,200
the one of her biological half sisters

618
00:30:32,690 --> 00:30:31,380
and they knew her so this was a big

619
00:30:35,770 --> 00:30:32,700
breakthrough and this happened

620
00:30:41,090 --> 00:30:35,780
afterwards they had read my book in

621
00:30:42,770 --> 00:30:41,100
Canada and had contacted me and said you

622
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:42,780
know we're reading this book and it

623
00:30:48,140 --> 00:30:45,330
occurs to us that's gene because that's

624
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:48,150
she didn't go by Marci you know you

625
00:30:51,620 --> 00:30:50,250
don't really want to go by the same name

626
00:30:58,940 --> 00:30:51,630
when you're the center of this huge

627
00:31:02,270 --> 00:30:58,950
story you know and so so they said you

628
00:31:04,490 --> 00:31:02,280
know were the half sisters there's a

629
00:31:06,370 --> 00:31:04,500
half brother but we didn't meet so they

630
00:31:10,370 --> 00:31:06,380
only met her what they met once or twice

631
00:31:14,930 --> 00:31:10,380
I need to get together as sisters but

632
00:31:18,050 --> 00:31:14,940
her mother was a was had a few had those

633
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:18,060
pregnancies as a teenager and therefore

634
00:31:25,310 --> 00:31:20,850
gave the children up for adoption so she

635
00:31:27,410 --> 00:31:25,320
didn't have any big yeah she didn't have

636
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:27,420
any tribal upbringing or anything like

637
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:28,770
that he's quite young when she was

638
00:31:35,030 --> 00:31:31,890
adopted anyhow but even before that she

639
00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:35,040
didn't you know have anything like that

640
00:31:40,730 --> 00:31:38,910
yeah there was some things that she did

641
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:40,740
when she said yeah rocking back and

642
00:31:45,170 --> 00:31:42,330
forth saying she's talking to her

643
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,180
grandfather or something like that and

644
00:31:49,820 --> 00:31:47,760
that's interesting you know I you know

645
00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:49,830
does it feed into it somehow you know

646
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:55,110
who knows but I do know talking to the

647
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:57,600
you know to the half sisters that you

648
00:32:02,810 --> 00:32:00,960
know she let a lot of pretty happy life

649
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:02,820
in the last five years were very

650
00:32:11,690 --> 00:32:07,850
difficult due to the medical condition

651
00:32:15,290 --> 00:32:11,700
and I found out that she died because

652
00:32:18,140 --> 00:32:15,300
she does she's my age so she was 15 I

653
00:32:19,910 --> 00:32:18,150
think she died at age yes as soon as my

654
00:32:21,950 --> 00:32:19,920
age went wrong when I was right when I

655
00:32:26,570 --> 00:32:21,960
found out about his same age their young

656
00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:26,580
and had died from the multiple sclerosis

657
00:32:36,170 --> 00:32:28,860
and his seizures and all it's got really

658
00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:36,180
bad at the end and three it was a fan of

659
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:38,340
the book contact at me and said this

660
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:40,890
sounds like Marcy so I called up the

661
00:32:45,410 --> 00:32:43,050
coroner's office who placed an ad they

662
00:32:49,370 --> 00:32:45,420
didn't know what to do they couldn't

663
00:32:52,340 --> 00:32:49,380
find any next to Ken or anything and I

664
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:52,350
called up and you know gave the birth

665
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:54,330
date and social and all that stuff he

666
00:32:59,660 --> 00:32:57,240
says yeah this is her and he's the one

667
00:33:04,630 --> 00:32:59,670
who gave me all the information on her

668
00:33:07,670 --> 00:33:04,640
from you know told me about the epilepsy

669
00:33:09,620 --> 00:33:07,680
he also told me before I told him about

670
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:09,630
the book that he had a really weird

671
00:33:14,690 --> 00:33:11,730
feeling when he went in the room and he

672
00:33:16,940 --> 00:33:14,700
said yeah he's been doing this for many

673
00:33:19,220 --> 00:33:16,950
years and nothing ever really yeah

674
00:33:21,530 --> 00:33:19,230
spooks him but he don't little spooked

675
00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:21,540
at first and he said that before I told

676
00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:25,140
him oh by the way his book and how it

677
00:33:33,910 --> 00:33:28,380
all fit together but I ended up matching

678
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:33,920
the half sisters to Marcy's ashes and

679
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:36,480
the beautiful end to the story is they

680
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:39,930
buried her on family lands that's nice

681
00:33:45,410 --> 00:33:42,810
because before that we yeah she would

682
00:33:49,230 --> 00:33:45,420
have been in some room and the coroner's

683
00:33:52,540 --> 00:33:49,240
thing just sitting there on a shelf no

684
00:33:54,910 --> 00:33:52,550
so I know go all around the story but

685
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:54,920
you know just babbling as things come up

686
00:33:58,780 --> 00:33:57,050
but that's those are rows you know

687
00:34:02,200 --> 00:33:58,790
relatively new developments that I found

688
00:34:05,530 --> 00:34:02,210
out afterwards and then ended up you

689
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:05,540
know adding them in as you know an

690
00:34:11,530 --> 00:34:09,050
update because the story just as ever

691
00:34:13,389 --> 00:34:11,540
it's ever-evolving you know you run into

692
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:13,399
people who were connected yeah I

693
00:34:19,540 --> 00:34:16,010
lectured once a voice and we ran into

694
00:34:21,399 --> 00:34:19,550
father Doyle sister father Doyle

695
00:34:23,950 --> 00:34:21,409
you know father Doyle was one of the

696
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:23,960
witnesses who never publicly admitted

697
00:34:29,740 --> 00:34:27,290
that the place is haunted and you know

698
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:29,750
on record he oh he said well you know we

699
00:34:33,070 --> 00:34:31,610
can't jump to conclusions yeah because

700
00:34:39,490 --> 00:34:33,080
he didn't want to get in trouble

701
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:39,500
and you know we never I never I knew

702
00:34:44,139 --> 00:34:42,110
that I knew from the police reports that

703
00:34:47,230 --> 00:34:44,149
he must have believed that it was real

704
00:34:49,149 --> 00:34:47,240
by what they said but we got the talk to

705
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:49,159
the sister and here are the inside story

706
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,730
so it's just it's like Kevin Bacon six

707
00:34:56,980 --> 00:34:54,800
degrees of Kevin Bacon the you know the

708
00:34:59,770 --> 00:34:56,990
the people you run into that were

709
00:35:02,560 --> 00:34:59,780
connected to it you know oh I dated I

710
00:35:08,170 --> 00:35:02,570
dated the captain's daughter and you

711
00:35:09,820 --> 00:35:08,180
know and he was worried and very nervous

712
00:35:11,590 --> 00:35:09,830
about all this and wanted to put a

713
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:11,600
kibosh on it yeah you got all these

714
00:35:17,530 --> 00:35:15,680
different stories from from these

715
00:35:20,890 --> 00:35:17,540
different people that were connected in

716
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:20,900
some way and they they all validated

717
00:35:27,220 --> 00:35:25,310
what you know what was being said so it

718
00:35:29,470 --> 00:35:27,230
was very interesting to have those debt

719
00:35:31,930 --> 00:35:29,480
validation from multiple sources and not

720
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:31,940
just oh one person said it or one person

721
00:35:38,590 --> 00:35:35,570
saw it so to me that was the most

722
00:35:40,750 --> 00:35:38,600
fascinating part of the case this was

723
00:35:43,570 --> 00:35:40,760
think this is really the case that told

724
00:35:45,820 --> 00:35:43,580
me beyond doubt that this stuff is

725
00:35:49,780 --> 00:35:45,830
involved there didn't tell me what it

726
00:35:52,660 --> 00:35:49,790
recorded in but but it told me the

727
00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:52,670
behavior and you know what is the

728
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:54,710
poltergeist people would ask and I said

729
00:35:59,830 --> 00:35:56,330
well you know we can't tell you exactly

730
00:36:02,390 --> 00:35:59,840
what it is but we can describe its

731
00:36:04,940 --> 00:36:02,400
behavior and that's how it gets its name

732
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:04,950
and you know so we could talk about that

733
00:36:09,620 --> 00:36:07,680
and then we can argue as to whether you

734
00:36:11,450 --> 00:36:09,630
know it's a demon named Fred but like

735
00:36:13,700 --> 00:36:11,460
peanut butter or whether it's something

736
00:36:15,799 --> 00:36:13,710
that from a different universe or

737
00:36:17,690 --> 00:36:15,809
whether we really have no right to say

738
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,700
at all it's just something unknown and

739
00:36:24,279 --> 00:36:20,160
leave it at that you know everybody has

740
00:36:26,769 --> 00:36:24,289
a different take on it but I think I

741
00:36:28,819 --> 00:36:26,779
this is the case it did it for me

742
00:36:30,349 --> 00:36:28,829
actually it would have convinced me

743
00:36:32,359 --> 00:36:30,359
better than if I had seen something

744
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:32,369
myself if I probably wouldn't have

745
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:36,000
trusted what I saw

746
00:36:40,220 --> 00:36:37,890
unless it was unless it was something

747
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:40,230
pervasive then of course I would but you

748
00:36:44,809 --> 00:36:41,730
know I mean if I saw something I'd

749
00:36:46,849 --> 00:36:44,819
figure oh I don't know I'm seeing things

750
00:36:48,980 --> 00:36:46,859
you know which is very common you know

751
00:36:51,170 --> 00:36:48,990
when people receive this stuff I was at

752
00:36:53,690 --> 00:36:51,180
the Mount Washington Hotel in New

753
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:53,700
Hampshire this weekend and a friend of

754
00:36:58,309 --> 00:36:56,160
mine used to manage that place it's a

755
00:36:59,720 --> 00:36:58,319
beautiful well a turn-of-the-century I

756
00:37:04,039 --> 00:36:59,730
guess it's early Victorian I mean late

757
00:37:06,890 --> 00:37:04,049
Victorian resort in the mountains in New

758
00:37:09,470 --> 00:37:06,900
Hampshire and my friend told me years

759
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:09,480
ago that when he managed the place it

760
00:37:12,829 --> 00:37:11,130
was haunted he saw things slide across

761
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,839
the bar and there was some figure in

762
00:37:16,339 --> 00:37:14,640
there stairway and all that so while I

763
00:37:18,799 --> 00:37:16,349
was there this weekend I started talking

764
00:37:20,269 --> 00:37:18,809
to the each of the people that work

765
00:37:22,430 --> 00:37:20,279
there and they said oh yeah

766
00:37:25,460 --> 00:37:22,440
it's going on and they were telling me

767
00:37:27,769 --> 00:37:25,470
different stories about you know of the

768
00:37:30,349 --> 00:37:27,779
door buzzer you know buzzing when no one

769
00:37:31,849 --> 00:37:30,359
was there and clothes sliding on the

770
00:37:34,549 --> 00:37:31,859
rack right in front of them stuff like

771
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:34,559
that stuff still going on you know it's

772
00:37:42,980 --> 00:37:39,440
it fascinates me this case in particular

773
00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:42,990
did did you ever think that it's

774
00:37:51,230 --> 00:37:46,710
possible that Marcy may have been

775
00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:51,240
somehow not attracting the energy but

776
00:37:55,609 --> 00:37:53,849
somehow putting out the energy that made

777
00:38:04,609 --> 00:37:55,619
these things happen I know that sounds

778
00:38:09,260 --> 00:38:04,619
strange but no people have about

779
00:38:11,870 --> 00:38:09,270
poltergeist is is that it's psychic

780
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:11,880
energy put off by the agent which would

781
00:38:18,759 --> 00:38:16,079
be Marcy in this case and I think it was

782
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:18,769
I think there's bill rolls that believed

783
00:38:25,789 --> 00:38:22,130
psychic energy put it out and then

784
00:38:27,709 --> 00:38:25,799
there's a possibility of entities being

785
00:38:30,019 --> 00:38:27,719
involved on top of that so kind of

786
00:38:33,140 --> 00:38:30,029
opening the door so sometimes the doors

787
00:38:36,259 --> 00:38:33,150
open by doing that sometimes it's not I

788
00:38:39,049 --> 00:38:36,269
mean I know Marcy was putting out or

789
00:38:43,309 --> 00:38:39,059
wife say I know I mean I believe that it

790
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:43,319
it was the frequency of of the energy

791
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:48,170
putting out that kind of attracted this

792
00:38:53,989 --> 00:38:52,079
these entities but I do agree with Paul

793
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:53,999
that there's a lot of things that happen

794
00:38:58,579 --> 00:38:55,650
in the house that don't appear to be

795
00:39:01,209 --> 00:38:58,589
intentional that probably was the result

796
00:39:06,890 --> 00:39:01,219
of the energy being there versus an

797
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,900
entity doing it for example a fridge or

798
00:39:10,459 --> 00:39:08,400
well frigerator floating is a good

799
00:39:12,949 --> 00:39:10,469
example I don't think that was done by

800
00:39:15,859 --> 00:39:12,959
an entity on purpose I think that was

801
00:39:20,779 --> 00:39:15,869
that was a result of that energy being

802
00:39:24,890 --> 00:39:20,789
there same thing with you know a model

803
00:39:27,410 --> 00:39:24,900
boat moving a little bit but picking up

804
00:39:29,660 --> 00:39:27,420
Marcy and throwing her or like when a

805
00:39:33,799 --> 00:39:29,670
when she's in a chair and it floated up

806
00:39:36,949 --> 00:39:33,809
and and that happened multiple times

807
00:39:39,140 --> 00:39:36,959
those were very personal things and we

808
00:39:42,349 --> 00:39:39,150
can't even say for sure that those were

809
00:39:44,299 --> 00:39:42,359
quote-unquote attacks but they certainly

810
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:44,309
appeared to be you know picking her up

811
00:39:48,589 --> 00:39:45,690
and throwing her against the wall

812
00:39:51,170 --> 00:39:48,599
happened her being lifted up in the

813
00:39:53,059 --> 00:39:51,180
chair with the chair flipping and being

814
00:39:55,069 --> 00:39:53,069
thrown out of the cheers so I mean there

815
00:40:00,049 --> 00:39:55,079
were things like that that were

816
00:40:01,939 --> 00:40:00,059
happening that definitely appeared to to

817
00:40:05,059 --> 00:40:01,949
provoke I guess you'd say you know to

818
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:05,069
really make you know across coming off

819
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,930
the wall and floating down you know

820
00:40:11,449 --> 00:40:08,400
things like that that were more

821
00:40:15,049 --> 00:40:11,459
intentional as well as one of the Joe

822
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:15,059
Tomic told me that he went in later and

823
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:17,640
just said to went into Marcy's room and

824
00:40:21,469 --> 00:40:19,440
said to himself if you're here show

825
00:40:23,269 --> 00:40:21,479
yourself and he said at that moment he

826
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:23,279
said everything was shaking on the walls

827
00:40:27,499 --> 00:40:25,170
and then he said okay now you can stop

828
00:40:29,410 --> 00:40:27,509
and it stopped and he told me he said at

829
00:40:31,059 --> 00:40:29,420
that moment I knew it was real

830
00:40:32,890 --> 00:40:31,069
he said but there was no way I was gonna

831
00:40:35,140 --> 00:40:32,900
put that in any police report it would

832
00:40:35,620 --> 00:40:35,150
have been but it would have been the end

833
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:35,630
of it

834
00:40:41,079 --> 00:40:39,440
mm-hmm I admire him I admire him just

835
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:41,089
for the fact of the police report that

836
00:40:47,890 --> 00:40:44,240
he put in there because all the police

837
00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:47,900
reports are he actually sent me a copy

838
00:40:55,089 --> 00:40:51,049
of the police report voice baby being a

839
00:40:58,720 --> 00:40:55,099
professional that he is he read all the

840
00:41:00,640 --> 00:40:58,730
police reports into the tapes to make

841
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:00,650
sure that they were preserved which is

842
00:41:03,819 --> 00:41:02,210
great because of course they don't they

843
00:41:05,530 --> 00:41:03,829
don't retain those things for longer

844
00:41:07,059 --> 00:41:05,540
than 10 years and I think with Lindley

845
00:41:11,890 --> 00:41:07,069
Street they probably got rid of him a

846
00:41:14,410 --> 00:41:11,900
lot sooner - so well yes I think some of

847
00:41:18,039 --> 00:41:14,420
it is the energy that happens to be

848
00:41:21,130 --> 00:41:18,049
there Paul would say it's the multiple

849
00:41:24,549 --> 00:41:21,140
world intersect causing that you know

850
00:41:27,010 --> 00:41:24,559
causing that energy you know Paul's

851
00:41:32,589 --> 00:41:27,020
pretty positive about that

852
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:32,599
I only differ from him in one respect is

853
00:41:41,890 --> 00:41:35,710
I do think that that is the best theory

854
00:41:44,109 --> 00:41:41,900
on the table but I'm not positive that's

855
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:44,119
it you know oh and maybe Paul isn't

856
00:41:52,030 --> 00:41:45,680
either I don't know but of course Paul

857
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:52,040
is seen more than I have to so multiple

858
00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:56,000
world version of the multiverse would

859
00:42:02,559 --> 00:41:58,970
nicely explained all of the paranormal

860
00:42:06,190 --> 00:42:02,569
of course we do know based on history

861
00:42:08,140 --> 00:42:06,200
that it's always not as simple as you

862
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:08,150
know one answer you know or something

863
00:42:12,940 --> 00:42:11,359
like that but it seems to be the best

864
00:42:15,609 --> 00:42:12,950
theory I can think of I don't think

865
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:15,619
these things are demons I don't think

866
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:18,890
this I I mean you know I could see why

867
00:42:24,099 --> 00:42:20,690
they would be called that because they

868
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:24,109
appear to act that way people feel you

869
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:26,089
know like Lorraine Warren felt nauseous

870
00:42:34,270 --> 00:42:29,839
and sick and Marcie's room and and we

871
00:42:36,910 --> 00:42:34,280
equate sickness with evil not all of us

872
00:42:38,740 --> 00:42:36,920
but I mean I've heard that a number of

873
00:42:40,299 --> 00:42:38,750
times you know when I've done lectures

874
00:42:42,609 --> 00:42:40,309
and somebody said that they were in this

875
00:42:43,269 --> 00:42:42,619
historic house and they felt ill so they

876
00:42:46,929 --> 00:42:43,279
know

877
00:42:48,849 --> 00:42:46,939
haunted by an evil spirit and then I

878
00:42:51,189 --> 00:42:48,859
challenge that and say well do you think

879
00:42:55,149 --> 00:42:51,199
the flu is evil because you know we

880
00:42:57,279 --> 00:42:55,159
equate sickness with things with you

881
00:43:01,359 --> 00:42:57,289
know with negative entities or whatever

882
00:43:03,459 --> 00:43:01,369
but witnesses is neutral really I mean

883
00:43:05,919 --> 00:43:03,469
it you know our is the sickness because

884
00:43:08,469 --> 00:43:05,929
of that those multiple world intersex or

885
00:43:10,569 --> 00:43:08,479
is a sickness because you've got nasty

886
00:43:12,999 --> 00:43:10,579
entities in there you know I don't know

887
00:43:14,890 --> 00:43:13,009
maybe maybe it's one or the other or

888
00:43:18,130 --> 00:43:14,900
both maybe it really doesn't matter I

889
00:43:22,209 --> 00:43:18,140
don't know sometimes it ends up being

890
00:43:24,579 --> 00:43:22,219
the you know the electronic EMF you know

891
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:24,589
those those frequencies that can come in

892
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:28,400
through a water pipe shame has their way

893
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:30,650
and myself we had a case where people

894
00:43:36,609 --> 00:43:33,049
were going crazy in the house and and

895
00:43:41,259 --> 00:43:36,619
and it was really a bizarre historical

896
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:41,269
case and it ended up being the the

897
00:43:45,999 --> 00:43:43,369
electromagnetic frequency coming in the

898
00:43:50,380 --> 00:43:46,009
house or the water pipe was was really

899
00:43:54,459 --> 00:43:50,390
severe and sure enough she had this lady

900
00:43:57,029 --> 00:43:54,469
had tumors most of her life and her

901
00:44:00,669 --> 00:43:57,039
husband died of cancer and you know so

902
00:44:04,169 --> 00:44:00,679
and those things make you see shapes out

903
00:44:07,949 --> 00:44:04,179
of the corner of your eyes they make you

904
00:44:10,779 --> 00:44:07,959
emotionally change you know it's really

905
00:44:13,630 --> 00:44:10,789
basically it's it's a fake version of a

906
00:44:18,429 --> 00:44:13,640
paranormal that's unfortunately very

907
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:18,439
real and damaging so sometimes is that

908
00:44:27,130 --> 00:44:22,880
but I mean it is I don't think it's all

909
00:44:29,890 --> 00:44:27,140
one thing I think I think a lot of times

910
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:29,900
it is provocative and we should assume

911
00:44:34,659 --> 00:44:32,689
it must be the entities you know or in

912
00:44:38,019 --> 00:44:34,669
the case of Paul having an altercation

913
00:44:39,609 --> 00:44:38,029
with the entity fix it up Marcy and

914
00:44:43,630 --> 00:44:39,619
throwing her and getting around Paul

915
00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:43,640
that's a pretty clear message of some

916
00:44:49,329 --> 00:44:46,609
sort although I always try to ask well

917
00:44:53,229 --> 00:44:49,339
did the entity pick her up or is that a

918
00:44:56,620 --> 00:44:53,239
result of energy you know I don't like

919
00:45:00,460 --> 00:44:56,630
the Sun I don't like to assign intent

920
00:45:02,350 --> 00:45:00,470
to it but Paul was there and felt it and

921
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,360
you know many of the people that did

922
00:45:08,580 --> 00:45:04,640
feel itself but it was something

923
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:08,590
negative so you know it's hard to say

924
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:11,330
but I try to give the entities the

925
00:45:16,690 --> 00:45:14,810
benefit of the doubt well I think you

926
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:16,700
know I think how would I be if I was in

927
00:45:23,110 --> 00:45:20,450
a different world or if I you know you

928
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:23,120
know maybe they're not even there by

929
00:45:29,410 --> 00:45:27,920
choice maybe the frequency you know suck

930
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:29,420
them in or something and they really

931
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:30,290
want to go home

932
00:45:42,370 --> 00:45:34,330
did they were watching two years but

933
00:45:46,420 --> 00:45:42,380
were their equivalent of TV now so on

934
00:45:49,660 --> 00:45:46,430
the slide show up on the YouTube right

935
00:45:55,620 --> 00:45:49,670
now is her artwork can you explain what

936
00:46:01,930 --> 00:45:55,630
that is real quickly yeah my she always

937
00:46:04,180 --> 00:46:01,940
was interested in art and she would draw

938
00:46:06,070 --> 00:46:04,190
and make things even when she was you

939
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:06,080
know when this happened when she was 10

940
00:46:16,510 --> 00:46:13,970
and later on when I found out about her

941
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:16,520
life since Lindley Street and her

942
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:23,410
different things that happen to our life

943
00:46:30,970 --> 00:46:28,370
I also found her artwork and and I think

944
00:46:33,310 --> 00:46:30,980
her biological sisters sent me some of

945
00:46:35,740 --> 00:46:33,320
her artwork one or two pieces you know

946
00:46:38,770 --> 00:46:35,750
we're published I mean she did make you

947
00:46:41,950 --> 00:46:38,780
know money that way necessarily but so

948
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:41,960
you know that artwork was found and so I

949
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:46,160
wanted to share that with people you

950
00:46:55,450 --> 00:46:48,170
know read the book to so they can see

951
00:46:59,980 --> 00:46:55,460
that choice recently gave me all of the

952
00:47:04,900 --> 00:46:59,990
case files and all of Marcy's original

953
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:04,910
artwork which which I was quite quite

954
00:47:11,650 --> 00:47:07,850
flattered by he handed it to me and said

955
00:47:20,170 --> 00:47:14,900
so I got all the original slides and and

956
00:47:23,950 --> 00:47:20,180
the 260 incident sheets and and

957
00:47:27,170 --> 00:47:23,960
Christmas cards from the family and and

958
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:27,180
Marcy's original artwork so but that's

959
00:47:32,509 --> 00:47:30,240
why the artwork is there just because we

960
00:47:34,750 --> 00:47:32,519
all were fascinated and wanted to know

961
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:34,760
you know what happened to Marcy and

962
00:47:39,799 --> 00:47:37,650
where is she and could you interview her

963
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:39,809
and unfortunate I mean fortunately we

964
00:47:46,819 --> 00:47:44,250
found her unfortunately you know she she

965
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,829
wasn't with us anymore right but

966
00:47:51,710 --> 00:47:48,480
connecting connecting with the

967
00:47:56,569 --> 00:47:51,720
biological sisters did give us some

968
00:47:59,120 --> 00:47:56,579
insight into you know some parts of her

969
00:48:02,450 --> 00:47:59,130
life and what her life you know was like

970
00:48:05,809 --> 00:48:02,460
and she remained to be a big animal fan

971
00:48:10,210 --> 00:48:05,819
as she was as a child and continued to

972
00:48:13,759 --> 00:48:10,220
draw and appeared to be a gentle and and

973
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:13,769
nice person and didn't appear to be you

974
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:16,410
know weird or maladjusted or anything

975
00:48:20,180 --> 00:48:18,420
like that you know I feel bad for her

976
00:48:26,029 --> 00:48:20,190
should some know she had a pretty rough

977
00:48:32,569 --> 00:48:26,039
rough beginning for sure oh yes yeah and

978
00:48:34,730 --> 00:48:32,579
her 13 age years I'm sure were yeah I'm

979
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:34,740
not the greatest - and ultimately she

980
00:48:40,279 --> 00:48:36,960
left the house because she didn't get

981
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:40,289
along with with Laura the mother yeah

982
00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:41,910
way too small of a house not to get

983
00:48:47,749 --> 00:48:42,710
along with someone

984
00:48:57,099 --> 00:48:47,759
Oh someone in the chat room wanted to

985
00:49:01,900 --> 00:48:57,109
know if there was any orb experiences no

986
00:49:05,180 --> 00:49:01,910
there really wasn't any words there were

987
00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:05,190
there was these glossy like entities

988
00:49:11,690 --> 00:49:10,049
that were seeing there was father

989
00:49:15,049 --> 00:49:11,700
Charbonneau with the Warrens in the

990
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:15,059
basement they saw this like black

991
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:20,400
figures form and then there was one

992
00:49:24,810 --> 00:49:22,170
point and Paul was part of this

993
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:24,820
experience too

994
00:49:30,210 --> 00:49:26,850
where the whole house started filling

995
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:30,220
with smoke which I hear is somewhat

996
00:49:38,340 --> 00:49:34,240
common in some exorcisms or Rebecca that

997
00:49:41,970 --> 00:49:38,350
kind of thing so those were three kind

998
00:49:46,830 --> 00:49:41,980
of other kinds of manifestations there

999
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:46,840
was no mention of words just you know

1000
00:49:52,770 --> 00:49:50,050
moving objects like crazy weren't one of

1001
00:49:54,930 --> 00:49:52,780
I think I think one of the scariest

1002
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:54,940
things for the family was when they were

1003
00:49:59,940 --> 00:49:57,850
out and this is Christmastime and they

1004
00:50:02,070 --> 00:49:59,950
came home and Jerry would go in first

1005
00:50:04,530 --> 00:50:02,080
because he was used to kind of checking

1006
00:50:07,310 --> 00:50:04,540
out everything and all the ornaments

1007
00:50:12,030 --> 00:50:07,320
were off the tree and in a little corner

1008
00:50:15,060 --> 00:50:12,040
you know on a little pile and that

1009
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:15,070
really that really freaked out Laura

1010
00:50:19,550 --> 00:50:18,250
that was that and then in the kitchen

1011
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:19,560
there

1012
00:50:27,900 --> 00:50:25,680
mother Mary statue was had fell over

1013
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:27,910
which could have been coincidence or

1014
00:50:32,850 --> 00:50:29,680
whatever but still the whole thing was

1015
00:50:37,290 --> 00:50:32,860
just seeing the the ornaments and in a

1016
00:50:39,860 --> 00:50:37,300
pile like that was that that were

1017
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:39,870
anything that was personal like that or

1018
00:50:47,130 --> 00:50:45,130
you know a chair flipping over is

1019
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:47,140
frightening but when you start really

1020
00:50:53,010 --> 00:50:49,410
kind of assembling things like that

1021
00:50:56,210 --> 00:50:53,020
there was another time a baby stroller

1022
00:50:59,730 --> 00:50:56,220
that was wailing by itself and you know

1023
00:51:02,820 --> 00:50:59,740
those were the more freaky things and

1024
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:02,830
obviously anything that involved Marci

1025
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:05,170
was scary and there was audible things

1026
00:51:11,460 --> 00:51:08,710
there was but the whole thing started

1027
00:51:13,590 --> 00:51:11,470
when it started really taken off

1028
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:13,600
it started with banging and that

1029
00:51:20,970 --> 00:51:16,930
actually occurred every year usually in

1030
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:20,980
the fall for a few years before all this

1031
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:22,930
really took off it would be a banging on

1032
00:51:28,050 --> 00:51:24,730
the insides and outsides of the walls

1033
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:28,060
and it would it would start slow and

1034
00:51:32,550 --> 00:51:29,920
then get louder and louder louder and

1035
00:51:34,380 --> 00:51:32,560
you know Jerry called the police the

1036
00:51:35,970 --> 00:51:34,390
firemen checked it out yeah everybody

1037
00:51:37,230 --> 00:51:35,980
checked it out they didn't know what it

1038
00:51:43,050 --> 00:51:37,240
was

1039
00:51:44,930 --> 00:51:43,060
and the police officer friend officer

1040
00:51:47,370 --> 00:51:44,940
Holsworth from across the street

1041
00:51:49,830 --> 00:51:47,380
suggests that that they record it and

1042
00:51:51,540 --> 00:51:49,840
they actually recorded the sounds and

1043
00:51:54,060 --> 00:51:51,550
they ended up giving the tape to Edie

1044
00:51:56,070 --> 00:51:54,070
Warren Edie Warren gave it a two voice

1045
00:52:01,920 --> 00:51:56,080
baby and then boys Beatty gave it to me

1046
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:01,930
so actually there's there's another with

1047
00:52:07,170 --> 00:52:05,170
the book comes a special URL where you

1048
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:07,180
can go and you can hear the poltergeist

1049
00:52:16,290 --> 00:52:12,640
sounds and it's Erie's and when you hear

1050
00:52:18,690 --> 00:52:16,300
it in context but yes so those banging

1051
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:18,700
sounds were a big part of it there was

1052
00:52:25,530 --> 00:52:22,330
footsteps knocks on the door with nobody

1053
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:25,540
there there was footprints on the stoop

1054
00:52:31,740 --> 00:52:28,090
that looked wet but it was a dry day

1055
00:52:36,210 --> 00:52:31,750
there was windows just spontaneously

1056
00:52:40,170 --> 00:52:36,220
smashing a lot of different activity in

1057
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:40,180
there but yeah it was any of the

1058
00:52:46,890 --> 00:52:42,480
personal things like the cross floating

1059
00:52:48,570 --> 00:52:46,900
pulling itself with a nail off the wall

1060
00:52:55,700 --> 00:52:48,580
and floating down and that was witnessed

1061
00:52:59,370 --> 00:52:55,710
by police captain so and he backed his

1062
00:53:02,130 --> 00:52:59,380
people but he could he couldn't say hey

1063
00:53:04,530 --> 00:53:02,140
I saw this cross go off but he said if

1064
00:53:08,849 --> 00:53:04,540
my people said they saw they saw it yes

1065
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:08,859
he did defend his people but ya know or

1066
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:11,530
uh-huh you know I I've had this

1067
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:15,010
reoccurring dream that I get I finally

1068
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:16,690
get the house of my dreams and ends up

1069
00:53:23,609 --> 00:53:19,930
being haunted and I've had that a number

1070
00:53:27,330 --> 00:53:23,619
of times and but the reason I bring that

1071
00:53:30,570 --> 00:53:27,340
up if I was in a house that anything

1072
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:30,580
like this was going on I would get so

1073
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:32,490
far away from there so fast

1074
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:35,890
did they did they want to move away and

1075
00:53:46,140 --> 00:53:44,170
couldn't yeah so so a few things that I

1076
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:46,150
think will bring context and some

1077
00:53:50,730 --> 00:53:48,850
understanding to it and I'm glad yes to

1078
00:53:51,089 --> 00:53:50,740
ask me that because I'm sure that you

1079
00:53:53,339 --> 00:53:51,099
know

1080
00:53:54,299 --> 00:53:53,349
of listeners would would wonder about

1081
00:53:59,489 --> 00:53:54,309
that too

1082
00:54:04,859 --> 00:53:59,499
is the real intensity of this took place

1083
00:54:08,609 --> 00:54:04,869
from like a Thursday to to Tuesday and

1084
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:08,619
then aside from the knocking thing but

1085
00:54:12,329 --> 00:54:10,930
they weren't scared by it they were more

1086
00:54:13,950 --> 00:54:12,339
annoyed they didn't know what it was

1087
00:54:17,009 --> 00:54:13,960
they didn't connected to anything

1088
00:54:22,410 --> 00:54:17,019
you know like the haunting you know or

1089
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:22,420
poltergeist but after that things did

1090
00:54:32,430 --> 00:54:29,710
happen what when things were at the

1091
00:54:37,259 --> 00:54:32,440
height there either were the police were

1092
00:54:40,650 --> 00:54:37,269
inside with them either was that was the

1093
00:54:47,339 --> 00:54:40,660
situation or they often went to stay

1094
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:47,349
with family and whether they went you

1095
00:54:53,249 --> 00:54:50,079
know to stay with family or stayed at

1096
00:54:56,519 --> 00:54:53,259
the house depending on you know how bad

1097
00:54:58,769 --> 00:54:56,529
the activity was and and then later on

1098
00:55:00,180 --> 00:54:58,779
there was a period of time when Marcy

1099
00:55:03,870 --> 00:55:00,190
wasn't at the house at all she was

1100
00:55:06,450 --> 00:55:03,880
staying with family Jerry and Laura

1101
00:55:08,910 --> 00:55:06,460
didn't really want to burden family

1102
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:08,920
every single time so they would stay at

1103
00:55:15,059 --> 00:55:11,170
the house but it would depend on you

1104
00:55:18,089 --> 00:55:15,069
know if it got bad or not and there was

1105
00:55:20,579 --> 00:55:18,099
a point when I mean they always had an

1106
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:20,589
overnight bag packed and the routine was

1107
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:22,569
Jerry would get up in the morning and

1108
00:55:28,620 --> 00:55:25,450
you know see what's going on and again

1109
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:28,630
if the activity was the same as it was

1110
00:55:32,430 --> 00:55:30,609
during its height when it went public

1111
00:55:36,749 --> 00:55:32,440
you know that Thursday to Tuesday

1112
00:55:39,779 --> 00:55:36,759
stretch then they probably all would

1113
00:55:41,789 --> 00:55:39,789
have moved out and stayed with family

1114
00:55:43,890 --> 00:55:41,799
and not come back at all but but it did

1115
00:55:47,729 --> 00:55:43,900
die down after that even though it's

1116
00:55:53,339 --> 00:55:47,739
still continued until it ended in

1117
00:55:56,759 --> 00:55:53,349
January of 75 so like most poltergeist

1118
00:55:59,819 --> 00:55:56,769
cases that was not long lived but it was

1119
00:56:03,420 --> 00:55:59,829
extremely there was that period of

1120
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:03,430
extreme heightened activity even while

1121
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:04,960
people were going in and

1122
00:56:10,410 --> 00:56:07,359
house so that that's unique to I mean

1123
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:10,420
most most of these kinds of cases you go

1124
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:13,210
in and the activity will stop until you

1125
00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:15,130
kind of you got to kind of be there for

1126
00:56:20,250 --> 00:56:17,950
a while and blend in with the with the

1127
00:56:23,010 --> 00:56:20,260
area before things start but that this

1128
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:23,020
was such that police officers were going

1129
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:24,910
in and they were seeing things happen in

1130
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:26,890
every room and they just entered the

1131
00:56:33,180 --> 00:56:29,890
place so it was unusual unusual very

1132
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:33,190
heightened activity for poltergeists but

1133
00:56:37,859 --> 00:56:35,530
it wasn't that way for you know for

1134
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:37,869
months on end or anything like that

1135
00:56:44,550 --> 00:56:42,250
and it ended by marci getting a

1136
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:44,560
scholarship thanks to father Doyle who

1137
00:56:48,810 --> 00:56:46,960
knew the place was you know he knew and

1138
00:56:50,609 --> 00:56:48,820
saw stuff because he was trying to bless

1139
00:56:55,020 --> 00:56:50,619
the place and the holy water kept

1140
00:56:56,910 --> 00:56:55,030
getting knocked over so that's when he

1141
00:56:58,920 --> 00:56:56,920
left and he couldn't come back there he

1142
00:57:01,260 --> 00:56:58,930
could breathe he just didn't want to go

1143
00:57:02,940 --> 00:57:01,270
back to the house at all but he was very

1144
00:57:05,010 --> 00:57:02,950
supportive to the family ended up

1145
00:57:08,700 --> 00:57:05,020
getting them a scholarship to take

1146
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:08,710
Marcin out of the not have her go back

1147
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:10,480
to the public school because the parents

1148
00:57:16,650 --> 00:57:11,920
said we're not sending her back there

1149
00:57:18,270 --> 00:57:16,660
and got her into was a private Catholic

1150
00:57:22,140 --> 00:57:18,280
school and then everybody was friendly

1151
00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:22,150
to her and and the activity just petered

1152
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:24,910
out so that's that's why that's why I

1153
00:57:30,359 --> 00:57:27,450
say it's pretty obvious that her

1154
00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:30,369
frequency her emotional you know

1155
00:57:37,740 --> 00:57:35,220
condition was sending out that kind of

1156
00:57:41,550 --> 00:57:37,750
you know negative frequency and

1157
00:57:45,710 --> 00:57:41,560
attracting these these things there and

1158
00:57:48,780 --> 00:57:45,720
then when her when her mindset changed

1159
00:57:52,020 --> 00:57:48,790
you know it stopped which is which is

1160
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:52,030
very common you know that we find in

1161
00:57:57,060 --> 00:57:54,880
these negative haunts and I'm not

1162
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:57,070
classifying everyone the same but it's

1163
00:58:02,520 --> 00:57:58,960
very often when you have a parasite or

1164
00:58:04,620 --> 00:58:02,530
entity for lack of a better word the

1165
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:04,630
first thing as you know you probably ask

1166
00:58:08,550 --> 00:58:06,609
is you know what's going on you know

1167
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:08,560
something's going on in the family

1168
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:10,810
dynamic or something's going on in the

1169
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:14,530
person's life and and once that person

1170
00:58:18,850 --> 00:58:18,010
changes the way they think you know they

1171
00:58:22,540 --> 00:58:18,860
can put an end to

1172
00:58:25,210 --> 00:58:22,550
it well so it petered out it just it

1173
00:58:28,380 --> 00:58:25,220
just stopped completely now does a house

1174
00:58:31,290 --> 00:58:28,390
still stand today

1175
00:58:33,340 --> 00:58:31,300
it does matter of fact I drove by it

1176
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:33,350
yeah it does

1177
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:36,770
there was only one owner it was vacant

1178
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:38,720
for a few years the family did want to

1179
00:58:42,820 --> 00:58:40,370
get out of there

1180
00:58:46,810 --> 00:58:42,830
and actually Jerry put it best he says I

1181
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:46,820
don't care about he says you know the it

1182
00:58:51,250 --> 00:58:49,370
stops happening but I can't even live in

1183
00:58:54,250 --> 00:58:51,260
town because I mean people were making

1184
00:58:56,410 --> 00:58:54,260
fun of them they were pulling the

1185
00:58:58,270 --> 00:58:56,420
clothes off the line and you know

1186
00:59:04,360 --> 00:58:58,280
slashing the tires and you know they

1187
00:59:06,220 --> 00:59:04,370
were really you know the as bill roll

1188
00:59:09,550 --> 00:59:06,230
once said you know the antics of the

1189
00:59:11,980 --> 00:59:09,560
poltergeists are only is bad or beaten

1190
00:59:15,490 --> 00:59:11,990
by the antics of the you know the people

1191
00:59:20,650 --> 00:59:15,500
they onlookers and there was this was so

1192
00:59:23,740 --> 00:59:20,660
public and you know that Jerry was

1193
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:23,750
getting ridiculed at work and people

1194
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:26,810
were of course constantly taking

1195
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:28,640
pictures and trying to get in there and

1196
00:59:32,650 --> 00:59:30,890
you know all that kind of stuff so it

1197
00:59:36,220 --> 00:59:32,660
you know they wanted to get out for that

1198
00:59:37,690 --> 00:59:36,230
and they couldn't sell the house and so

1199
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:37,700
they painted the house so that it

1200
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:40,970
wouldn't look the same and after doing

1201
00:59:52,780 --> 00:59:49,270
yeah so they ended up deciding to stay

1202
00:59:55,390 --> 00:59:52,790
there the activity it ended and you know

1203
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:55,400
and they didn't have they money to

1204
00:59:58,690 --> 00:59:57,050
replace the things over ruin there's

1205
01:00:01,450 --> 00:59:58,700
about five six thousand dollars in

1206
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:01,460
property damage just to the stuff inside

1207
01:00:07,540 --> 01:00:05,330
the house and there was a time you know

1208
01:00:12,910 --> 01:00:07,550
Jerry went through various emotions very

1209
01:00:14,830 --> 01:00:12,920
anxious a lot of anxiety some fear and

1210
01:00:18,700 --> 01:00:14,840
then a lot of hatred yeah a lot of

1211
01:00:20,170 --> 01:00:18,710
hatred during it hatred meaning yeah he

1212
01:00:21,820 --> 01:00:20,180
wants the thing to come out so you can

1213
01:00:23,950 --> 01:00:21,830
fight it you know you're trying to

1214
01:00:25,690 --> 01:00:23,960
protect your family and you can't you

1215
01:00:30,790 --> 01:00:25,700
can't get your hands on this or fight

1216
01:00:32,660 --> 01:00:30,800
this thing and and at one point he was

1217
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:32,670
he was so tired of it

1218
01:00:37,819 --> 01:00:34,410
he went to the hardware store and he got

1219
01:00:39,950 --> 01:00:37,829
wire and he he wired the furniture that

1220
01:00:42,260 --> 01:00:39,960
was left that wasn't damaged he wired

1221
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:42,270
the stuffs at a wall and then of course

1222
01:00:45,950 --> 01:00:44,130
they took all the pictures down and

1223
01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:45,960
they're packing stuff up you know

1224
01:00:49,549 --> 01:00:47,849
because it can't have anything on the

1225
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:49,559
walls because things are falling down

1226
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:53,970
and but unfortunately ended up breaking

1227
01:00:58,370 --> 01:00:56,400
and ruining you know a lot of things in

1228
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:58,380
the house even wire even put the

1229
01:01:02,690 --> 01:01:00,720
Christie put the Christmas tree in a

1230
01:01:04,940 --> 01:01:02,700
bucket and filled it with some men I

1231
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:04,950
mean he was serious he we eat him well

1232
01:01:08,030 --> 01:01:06,480
he didn't want out the room Christmas

1233
01:01:10,460 --> 01:01:08,040
but it ended up going through the wine

1234
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:10,470
or anyhow Boyce was fascinated by that

1235
01:01:16,609 --> 01:01:13,440
because the wire wasn't broken the tree

1236
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:16,619
was held by the wire and then they they

1237
01:01:21,140 --> 01:01:19,440
were they were there they got up and the

1238
01:01:23,809 --> 01:01:21,150
tree was now on the other side of the

1239
01:01:27,260 --> 01:01:23,819
wire so that kind of freaked them out

1240
01:01:29,359 --> 01:01:27,270
but you know but yeah he even did that

1241
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,369
but with the wire he's like you know if

1242
01:01:34,010 --> 01:01:31,920
I can't move then I'm gonna I'm gonna

1243
01:01:37,220 --> 01:01:34,020
stop this thing from having fun and then

1244
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:37,230
they then I think he left one he left

1245
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,609
like one dresser thing not not secured

1246
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:43,440
to the wall just so he can check and see

1247
01:01:48,049 --> 01:01:46,530
if it's you know so it really was you

1248
01:01:50,059 --> 01:01:48,059
know if you look at what they did it

1249
01:01:53,180 --> 01:01:50,069
wasn't like the horror movies it was

1250
01:01:55,700 --> 01:01:53,190
very very much a real response to that

1251
01:01:57,799 --> 01:01:55,710
kind of thing all the different things

1252
01:01:59,930 --> 01:01:57,809
that were tried and you know Marcy

1253
01:02:03,530 --> 01:01:59,940
staying at family sometimes when I got

1254
01:02:04,910 --> 01:02:03,540
bad you know they would stay and and I

1255
01:02:06,650 --> 01:02:04,920
have heard from a lot of people why

1256
01:02:09,410 --> 01:02:06,660
would run out and never come back but

1257
01:02:12,289 --> 01:02:09,420
you know we find in in in real honking

1258
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:12,299
that's not usually the case people

1259
01:02:18,799 --> 01:02:16,410
usually don't run from their house you

1260
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:18,809
know they they tend to it's their house

1261
01:02:24,289 --> 01:02:21,450
they tend to not I mean some do and some

1262
01:02:27,940 --> 01:02:24,299
ultimate ly you know like my good friend

1263
01:02:33,980 --> 01:02:27,950
Edwin Becker probably know his story

1264
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:33,990
true haunting give this book a plug yeah

1265
01:02:41,630 --> 01:02:37,170
ultimately you know they had to move and

1266
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:41,640
yes that does happen but one thing

1267
01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:44,010
doesn't happen and people run out they

1268
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:46,079
they usually stick it out and try to

1269
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:46,530
figure

1270
01:02:51,860 --> 01:02:48,810
out trying to fight it trying to it's a

1271
01:02:54,350 --> 01:02:51,870
it's a myriad of motions versus the you

1272
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:54,360
know the Hollywood single you know

1273
01:02:56,990 --> 01:02:55,410
scream and run

1274
01:03:01,340 --> 01:02:57,000
although Laura was pretty much the

1275
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:01,350
Hollywood scream and yeah but but yeah

1276
01:03:06,770 --> 01:03:03,570
more like a myriad of emotions than just

1277
01:03:09,830 --> 01:03:06,780
what how it's betrayed you know you

1278
01:03:12,020 --> 01:03:09,840
mentioned earlier that Marcy was a real

1279
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:12,030
animal lover and I saw those pictures of

1280
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:13,890
her with the puppy and in a German

1281
01:03:17,660 --> 01:03:14,370
Shepherd

1282
01:03:23,650 --> 01:03:17,670
what was the animals reactions to what

1283
01:03:28,700 --> 01:03:26,120
yeah and they felt kind of bad because

1284
01:03:35,390 --> 01:03:28,710
they got a they got a new dog from the

1285
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:35,400
pound in December and but they they

1286
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:37,200
always have it they had a dog and they

1287
01:03:49,070 --> 01:03:44,850
had a cat and the dog would would be

1288
01:03:51,410 --> 01:03:49,080
found under the bed and so yeah I was

1289
01:03:52,490 --> 01:03:51,420
very very much the dog was frightened of

1290
01:04:01,600 --> 01:03:52,500
it

1291
01:04:05,210 --> 01:04:01,610
was audio phenomena and in the basement

1292
01:04:07,010 --> 01:04:05,220
father Charbonneau swears the cat said

1293
01:04:12,110 --> 01:04:07,020
jingle bells and other people heard it

1294
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:12,120
and when Marcy was thrown across the

1295
01:04:21,980 --> 01:04:17,280
room and hit her head there was a it was

1296
01:04:26,210 --> 01:04:21,990
Bob Pantano the now now-defunct wnat but

1297
01:04:28,850 --> 01:04:26,220
you know a radio guy used one of him and

1298
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:28,860
Tim Quinn were doing a story on it and

1299
01:04:33,650 --> 01:04:31,890
they were in the house and after Marcy

1300
01:04:37,330 --> 01:04:33,660
got thrown across the wall which they

1301
01:04:45,460 --> 01:04:43,460
he swore he heard the cat say help now I

1302
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:45,470
don't think the cat talked you know

1303
01:04:51,230 --> 01:04:49,290
Jerry Jerry would say that he heard that

1304
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:51,240
you know he heard things from the

1305
01:04:56,020 --> 01:04:53,850
basement were because they would keep

1306
01:04:58,460 --> 01:04:56,030
the cat in the basement sometimes

1307
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:58,470
because the dog was big and if they're

1308
01:05:00,500 --> 01:04:59,760
going out you know they didn't want the

1309
01:05:02,090 --> 01:05:00,510
dog and cat

1310
01:05:04,790 --> 01:05:02,100
play together and the cat get injured

1311
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:04,800
because the dog was you know very big so

1312
01:05:09,140 --> 01:05:07,010
they had the cat in the basement and

1313
01:05:11,420 --> 01:05:09,150
Jerry would come home and hear things

1314
01:05:14,180 --> 01:05:11,430
like let me out you dirty Frenchman and

1315
01:05:15,830 --> 01:05:14,190
you know and he of course everybody

1316
01:05:20,050 --> 01:05:15,840
would laugh at him we tell the story you

1317
01:05:22,430 --> 01:05:20,060
need say no I swear that cat is talking

1318
01:05:24,740 --> 01:05:22,440
but I you know I don't think the cat

1319
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:24,750
talked I think it was audio phenomena

1320
01:05:33,020 --> 01:05:27,570
and I think you know like the proximity

1321
01:05:37,340 --> 01:05:33,030
effect used in ventriloquism or you know

1322
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:37,350
for the audio experts you know if you

1323
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:38,970
hear a sound and you look and there's a

1324
01:05:44,270 --> 01:05:41,850
cat there you say well the cat talked

1325
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:44,280
you know you're associating with the

1326
01:05:50,930 --> 01:05:49,440
sound with with what's nearby similar

1327
01:05:54,910 --> 01:05:50,940
there were swans on the porch

1328
01:05:57,530 --> 01:05:54,920
and and the crowd actually saw the swans

1329
01:05:59,210 --> 01:05:57,540
they were these Swan planners in the

1330
01:06:01,780 --> 01:05:59,220
nineteen seventies these were big

1331
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:01,790
they're like these big heavy ceramic

1332
01:06:08,660 --> 01:06:05,970
planners and and they were shaped like a

1333
01:06:10,790 --> 01:06:08,670
swan and there you put dirt in it with

1334
01:06:12,410 --> 01:06:10,800
some you know so there's two of those

1335
01:06:16,820 --> 01:06:12,420
one on each side of the house and those

1336
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:16,830
were actually moving by themselves the

1337
01:06:21,109 --> 01:06:18,960
crowd not the crust people in the crowd

1338
01:06:23,090 --> 01:06:21,119
not only reporters the police officers

1339
01:06:25,700 --> 01:06:23,100
were complaining about it and actually

1340
01:06:28,010 --> 01:06:25,710
one police officer they were saying they

1341
01:06:31,310 --> 01:06:28,020
were hearing guttural sounds and they

1342
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:31,320
said the swans are making sounds so

1343
01:06:35,060 --> 01:06:32,970
that's another example I don't think the

1344
01:06:38,510 --> 01:06:35,070
swans were making they were hearing this

1345
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:38,520
audio phenomena because there was knocks

1346
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:40,650
on the door there was footsteps there

1347
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:43,770
was chimes that were going off by

1348
01:06:46,970 --> 01:06:45,570
themselves and knocks on the door and

1349
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:46,980
you know there was that kind of

1350
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:49,410
phenomena so I think people just

1351
01:06:56,930 --> 01:06:53,490
naturally associate with what's nearby

1352
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:56,940
and you know so I think that's how the

1353
01:07:03,470 --> 01:07:00,000
cat got dragged into it but Paul Paul

1354
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:03,480
always fancies telling this telling the

1355
01:07:08,599 --> 01:07:06,720
the story as does everybody else that

1356
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:08,609
saw it the newspaper people putting a

1357
01:07:12,380 --> 01:07:10,530
microphone to the cat saying I hear you

1358
01:07:13,930 --> 01:07:12,390
can talk could you say something you

1359
01:07:18,010 --> 01:07:13,940
know

1360
01:07:20,380 --> 01:07:18,020
so yeah a lot of a lot of really crazy

1361
01:07:23,230 --> 01:07:20,390
ingredients in the Deana sure even a

1362
01:07:27,730 --> 01:07:23,240
talking cat right so there was recorded

1363
01:07:33,340 --> 01:07:27,740
audio had anyone tried to attempted any

1364
01:07:38,340 --> 01:07:33,350
type of filming or say you know taking

1365
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:45,150
there's I had heard that and and this is

1366
01:07:49,450 --> 01:07:47,450
during during interviewing different

1367
01:07:53,980 --> 01:07:49,460
people and talking to boys and stuff

1368
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:53,990
I think the Warrens wanted to film and I

1369
01:08:00,120 --> 01:07:56,480
think they even had some equipment in

1370
01:08:05,100 --> 01:08:00,130
there at one time and the story is that

1371
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:05,110
Lord got mad and you know told them to

1372
01:08:11,140 --> 01:08:08,290
take it out hmm

1373
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:11,150
so I think they would have wanted to

1374
01:08:19,329 --> 01:08:16,400
there also was I think it was a producer

1375
01:08:21,490 --> 01:08:19,339
or somebody the Warrens worked with that

1376
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:21,500
was in the house for a short period of

1377
01:08:28,440 --> 01:08:24,799
time so I think there was a plan to do

1378
01:08:31,690 --> 01:08:28,450
something like that but the good and

1379
01:08:36,010 --> 01:08:31,700
squash on it because they didn't want

1380
01:08:38,440 --> 01:08:36,020
publicity or anything like that they

1381
01:08:41,050 --> 01:08:38,450
just wanted to get rid of it they want

1382
01:08:45,070 --> 01:08:41,060
to be left alone you know they didn't

1383
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:45,080
want the crowd and everything but and

1384
01:08:50,710 --> 01:08:47,210
you know they had a falling out with the

1385
01:08:56,440 --> 01:08:50,720
Warrens because Edie and used their

1386
01:08:59,950 --> 01:08:56,450
phone to make toll calls to New York to

1387
01:09:02,650 --> 01:08:59,960
get reporters there to spread the story

1388
01:09:04,180 --> 01:09:02,660
and which is exactly that they didn't

1389
01:09:07,059 --> 01:09:04,190
want it spread they want to be left

1390
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:07,069
alone but now it probably would have

1391
01:09:13,570 --> 01:09:10,250
spread anyhow but you know Edie saw it

1392
01:09:15,340 --> 01:09:13,580
as a you know something people needed to

1393
01:09:18,750 --> 01:09:15,350
see and know and of course I'm sure it

1394
01:09:23,039 --> 01:09:18,760
didn't hurt their career either so right

1395
01:09:25,660 --> 01:09:23,049
but yeah that that really ticked off

1396
01:09:27,309 --> 01:09:25,670
then because they're trying to you know

1397
01:09:29,289 --> 01:09:27,319
they're trying to live

1398
01:09:31,870 --> 01:09:29,299
peace and get rid of the people and and

1399
01:09:33,999 --> 01:09:31,880
he's he's inviting people to come down

1400
01:09:38,530 --> 01:09:34,009
and that's how it got him the AP wire is

1401
01:09:41,379 --> 01:09:38,540
he called up and they came and once once

1402
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:41,389
they took the photos then the story

1403
01:09:46,749 --> 01:09:43,730
spread around all the states and and

1404
01:09:48,669 --> 01:09:46,759
even outside now at one point there were

1405
01:09:52,839 --> 01:09:48,679
like a couple thousand people that

1406
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:52,849
descended on the area did they actually

1407
01:09:57,370 --> 01:09:55,250
let certain people come into the house

1408
01:10:04,240 --> 01:09:57,380
or did they just want them to all go

1409
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:04,250
away the people that they let into the

1410
01:10:09,729 --> 01:10:06,650
house well they let the warrants in

1411
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:09,739
because their neighbors said had seen

1412
01:10:15,459 --> 01:10:12,320
that the Warrens lecture and said that

1413
01:10:16,330 --> 01:10:15,469
maybe they can help and so they figured

1414
01:10:18,729 --> 01:10:16,340
well why not

1415
01:10:20,410 --> 01:10:18,739
you know nobody else has an answer the

1416
01:10:22,930 --> 01:10:20,420
police were there the fire department

1417
01:10:25,660 --> 01:10:22,940
priests you know they figured why not so

1418
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:25,670
that's how they let the Warrens in you

1419
01:10:32,140 --> 01:10:28,010
know with paul you know and father

1420
01:10:36,970 --> 01:10:32,150
Charbonneau w NAB they listened to that

1421
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:36,980
station so they liked Jim Quinn and Bob

1422
01:10:44,819 --> 01:10:41,810
pantyhose so they let them come in the

1423
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:44,829
there one of the one of the guys from

1424
01:10:53,169 --> 01:10:48,800
the Bridgeport post John Sopko who I

1425
01:10:55,629 --> 01:10:53,179
talked to he presents himself very

1426
01:11:00,280 --> 01:10:55,639
nicely from what you know the family

1427
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:00,290
said so they let him in they made it a

1428
01:11:09,370 --> 01:11:07,330
there big thing is they wanted people to

1429
01:11:14,050 --> 01:11:09,380
know that this is not made-up that

1430
01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:14,060
they're not crazy so yes they did do a

1431
01:11:20,620 --> 01:11:18,560
little bit of that but the people on the

1432
01:11:21,790 --> 01:11:20,630
street and whatnot no they didn't they

1433
01:11:23,530 --> 01:11:21,800
didn't let them and there were there

1434
01:11:26,919 --> 01:11:23,540
were neighbors that were coming over

1435
01:11:28,689 --> 01:11:26,929
with pies and things like that because

1436
01:11:32,260 --> 01:11:28,699
you know they're trying to get opinion

1437
01:11:35,379 --> 01:11:32,270
in the house and yeah you know and and

1438
01:11:40,780 --> 01:11:35,389
and of course they let family and

1439
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:40,790
friends in and you know like like one of

1440
01:11:44,740 --> 01:11:41,690
them

1441
01:11:47,530 --> 01:11:44,750
said an interview the whole again

1442
01:11:49,900 --> 01:11:47,540
holdsworth different homes work you know

1443
01:11:51,370 --> 01:11:49,910
lady said what do you mean am I scared

1444
01:11:53,229 --> 01:11:51,380
to go in there I've known these people

1445
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:53,239
for years I've been their house a

1446
01:11:59,530 --> 01:11:57,290
million times unless you know so you

1447
01:12:04,690 --> 01:11:59,540
know they did let of course family and

1448
01:12:08,440 --> 01:12:04,700
friends that stopped by but you know

1449
01:12:10,510 --> 01:12:08,450
during that real turbulent time the

1450
01:12:12,459 --> 01:12:10,520
other warrants were there for a good

1451
01:12:15,010 --> 01:12:12,469
part of it I think they did offer that

1452
01:12:16,990 --> 01:12:15,020
you know some good comfort and company

1453
01:12:19,930 --> 01:12:17,000
and and I know Paul did it did a great

1454
01:12:21,910 --> 01:12:19,940
job and and father Charbonneau you know

1455
01:12:23,470 --> 01:12:21,920
wonderful I don't know him but I feel

1456
01:12:26,770 --> 01:12:23,480
like I know because I've listened to all

1457
01:12:28,510 --> 01:12:26,780
his interviews and he just seems like a

1458
01:12:33,340 --> 01:12:28,520
great guy and the way everybody

1459
01:12:36,190 --> 01:12:33,350
described him so yeah so so I mean they

1460
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:36,200
were there and other than that there

1461
01:12:43,630 --> 01:12:39,290
were again you know there was there was

1462
01:12:47,650 --> 01:12:43,640
police that would stay inside you know

1463
01:12:49,450 --> 01:12:47,660
with them and you know one time Laura

1464
01:12:50,830 --> 01:12:49,460
said you think we should stay there and

1465
01:12:52,180 --> 01:12:50,840
though officers say well you probably

1466
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:52,190
should go somewhere else and they all

1467
01:12:59,020 --> 01:12:55,130
left you know but that's kind of how

1468
01:13:01,479 --> 01:12:59,030
they managed it there were on lookers

1469
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:01,489
that of course constantly tried to get

1470
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:06,650
by the the police after was the declared

1471
01:13:12,490 --> 01:13:08,210
a hoax and they were supposed to take

1472
01:13:14,110 --> 01:13:12,500
Marcy to psychiatrist I mean people were

1473
01:13:17,470 --> 01:13:14,120
running after him and they even ripped

1474
01:13:19,330 --> 01:13:17,480
the pocket off of Marcy's coat you know

1475
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:19,340
as a souvenir and they were coming up

1476
01:13:27,580 --> 01:13:25,520
and taking taking pieces off to Swan and

1477
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:27,590
the you know the decorative ceramic

1478
01:13:33,490 --> 01:13:29,690
swans they're taking chips of pain off

1479
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:33,500
it and they were taking pieces off

1480
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:38,890
little pieces off the branches on the

1481
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:41,090
what do you call it a little tree in

1482
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:43,850
front of the house I mean was crazy I

1483
01:13:51,190 --> 01:13:46,489
know I guess there's just more normal

1484
01:13:54,070 --> 01:13:51,200
people stuff but yeah very very strange

1485
01:13:55,060 --> 01:13:54,080
and then other people were just very

1486
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:55,070
nice and respect

1487
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:57,170
full and just doing a vigil out there or

1488
01:14:02,260 --> 01:14:00,320
you know are just curious mm-hmm

1489
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:02,270
now you mentioned the father the

1490
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:04,610
minister you just said his name I don't

1491
01:14:11,500 --> 01:14:08,530
remember it but had anyone thought to

1492
01:14:13,390 --> 01:14:11,510
contact a priest and actually I mean did

1493
01:14:20,350 --> 01:14:13,400
they think of an exorcism was that

1494
01:14:24,729 --> 01:14:20,360
anything that came up yeah I mean that

1495
01:14:26,350 --> 01:14:24,739
was floated around and yeah the church

1496
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:26,360
didn't want to touch it at all

1497
01:14:32,919 --> 01:14:28,250
my I don't think it would have helped

1498
01:14:35,050 --> 01:14:32,929
anyhow but because usually that at least

1499
01:14:39,339 --> 01:14:35,060
my belief anyhow is that none of these

1500
01:14:42,459 --> 01:14:39,349
entities respond to any religions no

1501
01:14:44,050 --> 01:14:42,469
matter no matter what I mean yeah we'll

1502
01:14:47,859 --> 01:14:44,060
make the cross fall over because they

1503
01:14:50,350 --> 01:14:47,869
know that seems to get your goat your

1504
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:50,360
rile you up I don't think they respond

1505
01:14:58,240 --> 01:14:53,770
or subscribe to any any religion I think

1506
01:15:01,540 --> 01:14:58,250
when those kinds of things when religion

1507
01:15:04,060 --> 01:15:01,550
does work is it convinces the person so

1508
01:15:07,390 --> 01:15:04,070
if again if you break that frequency and

1509
01:15:09,310 --> 01:15:07,400
that person now has temporary peace you

1510
01:15:12,399 --> 01:15:09,320
know the activity could calm down and

1511
01:15:16,330 --> 01:15:12,409
then it starts up again why because it's

1512
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:16,340
a it's it's not the real answer you

1513
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:17,570
haven't gotten to the root of the

1514
01:15:22,899 --> 01:15:19,730
problem the root of the problem is Marcy

1515
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:22,909
you know the way she's thinking and and

1516
01:15:29,140 --> 01:15:25,610
to get rid of that that frequency has to

1517
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:29,150
be broken you know within her which

1518
01:15:35,379 --> 01:15:31,730
which happened once she settled into the

1519
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:35,389
nice school and and now she was I guess

1520
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:37,760
giving off positive energy or regular

1521
01:15:42,970 --> 01:15:39,170
energy whatever you want to call it

1522
01:15:46,180 --> 01:15:42,980
everybody has different terms but so I'm

1523
01:15:49,209 --> 01:15:46,190
not a subscriber to any of that matter

1524
01:15:53,319 --> 01:15:49,219
of fact my good friend chain Sarah way

1525
01:15:55,839 --> 01:15:53,329
and Paul you know in any any

1526
01:15:58,359 --> 01:15:55,849
investigations of parasites or entities

1527
01:16:03,129 --> 01:15:58,369
I mean Shane has never used religion

1528
01:16:06,549 --> 01:16:03,139
never needed it and that's because I

1529
01:16:08,709 --> 01:16:06,559
think it ultimately again it convinces

1530
01:16:10,270 --> 01:16:08,719
the people

1531
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:10,280
so it can get rid of something

1532
01:16:15,610 --> 01:16:13,489
temporarily but I equate it to like an

1533
01:16:17,740 --> 01:16:15,620
allergy pill get rid of the symptoms but

1534
01:16:18,939 --> 01:16:17,750
it's not really getting rid of the it's

1535
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:18,949
not getting rid of the root the root

1536
01:16:26,590 --> 01:16:23,570
cause of it but yes they did try and the

1537
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:26,600
Bishop basically said no way and you

1538
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:28,489
know they weren't going to touch it with

1539
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:30,170
a ten-foot pole not that I can blame

1540
01:16:35,470 --> 01:16:32,330
them yeah you know you don't want to get

1541
01:16:37,390 --> 01:16:35,480
involved in something that public you

1542
01:16:41,459 --> 01:16:37,400
know fathers Charbonneau bless the house

1543
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:41,469
and you know but but again I think I

1544
01:16:49,209 --> 01:16:44,719
think really that these things don't

1545
01:16:52,140 --> 01:16:49,219
subscribe to to any of our our religion

1546
01:16:55,810 --> 01:16:52,150
yeah yeah I had a the situation happened

1547
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:55,820
several years ago so I'd like to tell

1548
01:17:02,110 --> 01:16:57,530
you about it just get your feedback on

1549
01:17:06,010 --> 01:17:02,120
it I did tell this to Paul on the show

1550
01:17:07,959 --> 01:17:06,020
back in January so years ago I've been

1551
01:17:10,930 --> 01:17:07,969
in the fine arts and antiques business

1552
01:17:12,610 --> 01:17:10,940
and also in the auction business years

1553
01:17:15,700 --> 01:17:12,620
ago I cleaned out a place for an auction

1554
01:17:18,189 --> 01:17:15,710
and there was nothing really left but

1555
01:17:20,290 --> 01:17:18,199
junk and the lawyer asked me if I could

1556
01:17:22,540 --> 01:17:20,300
you know clean out all the debris and

1557
01:17:25,180 --> 01:17:22,550
sweep it down get it ready for the house

1558
01:17:27,820 --> 01:17:25,190
to be sold so I said sure not sure it

1559
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:27,830
was a slow time of year so it was

1560
01:17:32,020 --> 01:17:30,290
wintertime so all the windows were down

1561
01:17:34,030 --> 01:17:32,030
and in New England they have storm

1562
01:17:37,689 --> 01:17:34,040
windows and they were all down I was

1563
01:17:41,050 --> 01:17:37,699
upstairs in the bedroom and I had just

1564
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:41,060
taken all the the coat hangers and put

1565
01:17:45,340 --> 01:17:43,010
them in a garbage bag out of the closet

1566
01:17:47,620 --> 01:17:45,350
now I had to pull the door across the

1567
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:47,630
carpet they installed the carpet without

1568
01:17:52,090 --> 01:17:50,090
cutting the door so I had to really pull

1569
01:17:55,810 --> 01:17:52,100
hard on the door to open it when I

1570
01:17:57,459 --> 01:17:55,820
walked out with a bag full of hangers to

1571
01:18:01,030 --> 01:17:57,469
drop in the hallway all of a sudden the

1572
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:01,040
closet door slammed and I went back in

1573
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:04,370
and I took the door and I pulled it back

1574
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:06,290
and forth and I go oh my good cut you

1575
01:18:13,229 --> 01:18:08,690
know what is going on here then the

1576
01:18:16,090 --> 01:18:13,239
broom fell down the stairs and the and

1577
01:18:17,860 --> 01:18:16,100
two seconds later the door front door

1578
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:17,870
slammed there was no win that day that I

1579
01:18:23,140 --> 01:18:19,850
was aware of I went down the stairs and

1580
01:18:27,580 --> 01:18:23,150
the broom was leaning against the door

1581
01:18:29,470 --> 01:18:27,590
and there was a basket that I I was all

1582
01:18:30,700 --> 01:18:29,480
done I told of someone that was helping

1583
01:18:33,700 --> 01:18:30,710
me out what was going on and he was

1584
01:18:34,930 --> 01:18:33,710
laughing at me and picking on me so I

1585
01:18:37,330 --> 01:18:34,940
was in the garage

1586
01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:37,340
there was only one item left I was

1587
01:18:42,580 --> 01:18:40,880
tossing it in in a trailer he was a

1588
01:18:45,010 --> 01:18:42,590
basket and when when I went to go pick

1589
01:18:46,780 --> 01:18:45,020
it up it was stuck on the floor and I

1590
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:46,790
pulled so hard it separated in the

1591
01:18:52,150 --> 01:18:49,010
bottom part of it was still on the floor

1592
01:18:54,459 --> 01:18:52,160
and I tossed the basket into the trailer

1593
01:18:56,170 --> 01:18:54,469
and all of a sudden I just thought you

1594
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:56,180
know that I bet the bottom isn't even

1595
01:18:59,950 --> 01:18:57,530
stuck to anything and I tapped it with

1596
01:19:02,860 --> 01:18:59,960
my foot and it was moving free it was

1597
01:19:06,370 --> 01:19:02,870
just weird weird stuff Wow but it

1598
01:19:08,050 --> 01:19:06,380
happened first hand to me and I've

1599
01:19:09,790 --> 01:19:08,060
always wanted to stop at that house to

1600
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:09,800
find out if things are still going on

1601
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:14,810
there but but I saw this happen you know

1602
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:17,449
I mean it happened I saw it and no one

1603
01:19:24,910 --> 01:19:21,770
can change that right and you know my

1604
01:19:27,610 --> 01:19:24,920
second book haunted house Diaries is on

1605
01:19:32,500 --> 01:19:27,620
an active case that Paul was working on

1606
01:19:37,420 --> 01:19:32,510
and graciously invited me in and yeah

1607
01:19:43,209 --> 01:19:37,430
and I mean I yeah we we got audio we we

1608
01:19:47,290 --> 01:19:43,219
saw stuff you know so I felt I had the

1609
01:19:49,540 --> 01:19:47,300
the best one two cases you can possibly

1610
01:19:50,979 --> 01:19:49,550
have you know what if you don't believe

1611
01:19:53,020 --> 01:19:50,989
what you see don't worry about it you

1612
01:19:55,689 --> 01:19:53,030
got Lindley Street has tons of witnesses

1613
01:19:57,970 --> 01:19:55,699
everything you know and and guess what

1614
01:20:01,150 --> 01:19:57,980
now you can feel and experience it

1615
01:20:05,650 --> 01:20:01,160
yourself and so you know it's it's real

1616
01:20:07,630 --> 01:20:05,660
and and I knew it was what when Lee

1617
01:20:11,380 --> 01:20:07,640
Street but still it's not like I was

1618
01:20:13,180 --> 01:20:11,390
living in a haunted house you know and

1619
01:20:17,740 --> 01:20:13,190
I'm happy to say I with him I wasn't

1620
01:20:20,170 --> 01:20:17,750
afraid but I but I think I I think

1621
01:20:22,270 --> 01:20:20,180
that's only because not because I was

1622
01:20:25,150 --> 01:20:22,280
brave I think that was only because I

1623
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:25,160
was working with Shane and I was working

1624
01:20:33,729 --> 01:20:30,770
with Paul and Mark Dantonio to asked her

1625
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:33,739
physicist friend he was the one to

1626
01:20:38,830 --> 01:20:36,050
validate all the photographs and

1627
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:38,840
tell me some of the cool photographs I

1628
01:20:44,229 --> 01:20:42,170
had was or that the family took were you

1629
01:20:46,060 --> 01:20:44,239
know were optical illusions and lights

1630
01:20:47,410 --> 01:20:46,070
and stuff like that but you know that's

1631
01:20:53,049 --> 01:20:47,420
what he was there for even though he's a

1632
01:20:56,140 --> 01:20:53,059
buzzkill but but but yeah in

1633
01:20:59,069 --> 01:20:56,150
experiencing that yeah I wasn't afraid

1634
01:21:03,339 --> 01:20:59,079
but like I said I think that was because

1635
01:21:06,879 --> 01:21:03,349
it was put in perspective too but you

1636
01:21:08,649 --> 01:21:06,889
know for me that that these things yes

1637
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:08,659
certainly you know you can get hurt if

1638
01:21:11,890 --> 01:21:10,489
something flies notch in the head or you

1639
01:21:14,530 --> 01:21:11,900
trip down the stairs because of

1640
01:21:19,030 --> 01:21:14,540
something yes but I mean by and large

1641
01:21:23,049 --> 01:21:19,040
this kind of stuff if you remain in

1642
01:21:26,530 --> 01:21:23,059
control you could you know you could be

1643
01:21:29,290 --> 01:21:26,540
the one in charge and so I was kind of

1644
01:21:31,209 --> 01:21:29,300
thinking of it that way and I know some

1645
01:21:32,859 --> 01:21:31,219
people will disagree and say well you

1646
01:21:34,899 --> 01:21:32,869
know we tried then we're certainly

1647
01:21:38,709 --> 01:21:34,909
there's all kinds of situations but I

1648
01:21:41,020 --> 01:21:38,719
mean I think going in with that with all

1649
01:21:42,819 --> 01:21:41,030
the research I had done and all the

1650
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:42,829
knowledge from these these guys have

1651
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:44,090
been doing you know good stuff

1652
01:21:48,939 --> 01:21:46,730
throughout the years I had a different

1653
01:21:50,770 --> 01:21:48,949
perspective on it if it was just in my

1654
01:21:52,419 --> 01:21:50,780
house and nobody talked to me about

1655
01:21:54,189 --> 01:21:52,429
anything and all this stuff started

1656
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:54,199
happening I mean who knows they probably

1657
01:21:59,910 --> 01:21:56,960
just run out of the house whereas now I

1658
01:22:03,399 --> 01:21:59,920
don't know if I would I think I say oh

1659
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:03,409
yeah but that's you know that's the

1660
01:22:09,819 --> 01:22:06,650
difference - I was wanting to you know

1661
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:09,829
to be to be part of it and experience in

1662
01:22:14,109 --> 01:22:12,170
it so it was it was a bit different

1663
01:22:15,189 --> 01:22:14,119
it wasn't like going in there hoping it

1664
01:22:16,899 --> 01:22:15,199
nothing happened

1665
01:22:19,799 --> 01:22:16,909
you know which is what it would be if I

1666
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:19,809
was in some dark place alone you know

1667
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:24,610
yeah yeah go ahead

1668
01:22:28,629 --> 01:22:27,170
now you're saying people say well you

1669
01:22:30,370 --> 01:22:28,639
know if your place is haunted you know

1670
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:30,380
would you be scared and I'm like well

1671
01:22:35,049 --> 01:22:32,570
you know I can't answer that you know I

1672
01:22:36,729 --> 01:22:35,059
mean who knows and it's my house it's a

1673
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:36,739
little bit different I mean I couldn't

1674
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:40,610
tell you I I might be fine and be able

1675
01:22:45,629 --> 01:22:42,290
to handle it based on everything I know

1676
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:45,639
and you know or I may run out spring

1677
01:22:49,869 --> 01:22:47,570
getting back to what you were saying

1678
01:22:54,099 --> 01:22:49,879
earlier about Marcy having

1679
01:22:56,739 --> 01:22:54,109
frontal-lobe all issues and epilepsy

1680
01:22:58,689 --> 01:22:56,749
I believe that's what you said did you

1681
01:23:01,179 --> 01:22:58,699
yeah do you happen to know her blood

1682
01:23:06,759 --> 01:23:01,189
type because there's there's a lot of

1683
01:23:09,909 --> 01:23:06,769
links between is an Rh negative yeah Rh

1684
01:23:11,500 --> 01:23:09,919
negative blood and you know people

1685
01:23:14,109 --> 01:23:11,510
claiming to have these weird things

1686
01:23:16,270 --> 01:23:14,119
happening to them I know that sounds off

1687
01:23:23,139 --> 01:23:16,280
the wall but did you happen to know her

1688
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:23,149
blood type no you know originally the

1689
01:23:28,779 --> 01:23:25,840
the coroner was going to try to get me

1690
01:23:32,109 --> 01:23:28,789
you know some of the medical papers but

1691
01:23:34,029 --> 01:23:32,119
you know he couldn't which is

1692
01:23:36,429 --> 01:23:34,039
understandable I'm sure it's you know

1693
01:23:39,699 --> 01:23:36,439
not a good thing for him to be released

1694
01:23:41,770 --> 01:23:39,709
and that's not but yeah that I don't

1695
01:23:43,899 --> 01:23:41,780
know well I was asking for someone up on

1696
01:23:48,149 --> 01:23:43,909
the you know someone in the chat room do

1697
01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:48,159
you think would you consider this the

1698
01:23:56,049 --> 01:23:51,280
well I know it's not real evidence but

1699
01:24:02,109 --> 01:23:56,059
one of the more evidential cases of any

1700
01:24:09,969 --> 01:24:02,119
type of poltergeist out there oh yes

1701
01:24:15,639 --> 01:24:09,979
definitely I would describe the Roswell

1702
01:24:18,060 --> 01:24:15,649
haunted houses and you know I mean

1703
01:24:23,409 --> 01:24:18,070
really I mean I mean when it comes to

1704
01:24:26,109 --> 01:24:23,419
evidence I I don't think I mean yes it's

1705
01:24:29,409 --> 01:24:26,119
not enough for it to to not be

1706
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:29,419
pseudoscience I mean you and I believe

1707
01:24:33,790 --> 01:24:31,489
it no it's real lover listeners know

1708
01:24:36,279 --> 01:24:33,800
it's real but as far as isn't enough

1709
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:36,289
evidence you know from somebody on the

1710
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:39,050
outside well somebody who's not going to

1711
01:24:47,859 --> 01:24:41,449
believe it I mean I understand that but

1712
01:24:51,399 --> 01:24:47,869
if you're looking for a case that comes

1713
01:24:54,159 --> 01:24:51,409
the closest I would say this this would

1714
01:24:56,979 --> 01:24:54,169
be it certainly there are there are

1715
01:24:59,439 --> 01:24:56,989
plenty of crazy cases but this as far as

1716
01:25:01,060 --> 01:24:59,449
documentation you know you can't you

1717
01:25:03,729 --> 01:25:01,070
can't yeah hang on just a second we have

1718
01:25:07,570 --> 01:25:03,739
a caller I think he's calling from

1719
01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:07,580
Oh from Europe caller your name and

1720
01:25:12,430 --> 01:25:11,450
where are you calling from please eyes

1721
01:25:17,410 --> 01:25:12,440
not Matthew Willis

1722
01:25:20,580 --> 01:25:17,420
yes were you calling from ha I'm calling

1723
01:25:29,170 --> 01:25:23,830
hey Jonathan so you have a you have a

1724
01:25:31,900 --> 01:25:29,180
question for our guest yeah it's

1725
01:25:35,500 --> 01:25:31,910
actually the first time I've managed to

1726
01:25:39,790 --> 01:25:35,510
watch your show live and I've watched

1727
01:25:43,090 --> 01:25:39,800
your show quite a few times going to bed

1728
01:25:46,930 --> 01:25:43,100
early so it's fantastic

1729
01:25:54,700 --> 01:25:46,940
but yeah I mean tonight's show is

1730
01:26:00,240 --> 01:25:54,710
regarding paranormal experiences I I was

1731
01:26:04,300 --> 01:26:00,250
around around five or six years old and

1732
01:26:08,170 --> 01:26:04,310
I actually had an experience for a few

1733
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:08,180
years continuously every night basically

1734
01:26:18,100 --> 01:26:13,250
my my nightmares or dreams whatever you

1735
01:26:20,890 --> 01:26:18,110
want to call them were continuous they

1736
01:26:22,390 --> 01:26:20,900
were absolutely exactly the same I don't

1737
01:26:25,810 --> 01:26:22,400
know what you call them that they they

1738
01:26:30,970 --> 01:26:25,820
were exactly the same every night and I

1739
01:26:33,790 --> 01:26:30,980
would go out of my bed go downstairs the

1740
01:26:37,060 --> 01:26:33,800
light switch wouldn't work and I would

1741
01:26:40,150 --> 01:26:37,070
run back upstairs but before I got the

1742
01:26:42,940 --> 01:26:40,160
chance to run back upstairs there would

1743
01:26:48,790 --> 01:26:42,950
be a face at the top of those stairs and

1744
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:48,800
it would look at me and it would pull me

1745
01:26:58,540 --> 01:26:55,250
up and at that point I would get freaked

1746
01:27:00,940 --> 01:26:58,550
out wake up but yeah every single night

1747
01:27:07,060 --> 01:27:00,950
and that was for around two years three

1748
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:07,070
years in fact it was closely towards the

1749
01:27:13,990 --> 01:27:10,489
point that I actually left where we were

1750
01:27:16,450 --> 01:27:14,000
living when I was a child the only point

1751
01:27:17,549 --> 01:27:16,460
of those nightmares actually stopped was

1752
01:27:20,939 --> 01:27:17,559
when I actually come

1753
01:27:22,500 --> 01:27:20,949
from turd what was at the top at that

1754
01:27:26,579 --> 01:27:22,510
face that was at the top of those stairs

1755
01:27:29,059 --> 01:27:26,589
and I actually went wow okay I've had

1756
01:27:32,939 --> 01:27:29,069
enough of this

1757
01:27:37,559 --> 01:27:32,949
and I basically went stop No

1758
01:27:40,109 --> 01:27:37,569
and the and and right after those and

1759
01:27:42,809 --> 01:27:40,119
right after I said that those nightmares

1760
01:27:46,429 --> 01:27:42,819
stopped from then but at that point as

1761
01:27:50,579 --> 01:27:46,439
well what I want to add to that was that

1762
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:50,589
while those nightmares were going on the

1763
01:27:58,979 --> 01:27:55,449
alarm clocks I had I would wake up

1764
01:28:01,229 --> 01:27:58,989
around two minutes one minute before

1765
01:28:04,349 --> 01:28:01,239
that alarm clock went off every single

1766
01:28:06,929 --> 01:28:04,359
day for those two or three years that

1767
01:28:09,389 --> 01:28:06,939
that was going on so I just wanted to

1768
01:28:12,929 --> 01:28:09,399
add that that whole story in the whole

1769
01:28:15,329 --> 01:28:12,939
analogy whole sort of episode and

1770
01:28:17,339 --> 01:28:15,339
everything that was surrounding it just

1771
01:28:19,139 --> 01:28:17,349
sort you just so you got a whole picture

1772
01:28:20,790 --> 01:28:19,149
of what was going on yeah

1773
01:28:24,770 --> 01:28:20,800
did you also have a question for the

1774
01:28:35,459 --> 01:28:28,369
to be perfectly honest it was actually

1775
01:28:38,309 --> 01:28:35,469
that but I suppose yes you're right I

1776
01:28:41,489 --> 01:28:38,319
wouldn't really suppose it was a

1777
01:28:44,009 --> 01:28:41,499
question okay more of a question for

1778
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:44,019
both of you because in fact actually

1779
01:28:53,609 --> 01:28:51,449
more to you actually because you've

1780
01:28:57,199 --> 01:28:53,619
questioned and interviewed actually

1781
01:29:03,959 --> 01:28:57,209
quite a lot more people in in more of a

1782
01:29:07,469 --> 01:29:03,969
surrounding area I I'm actually a bit of

1783
01:29:12,809 --> 01:29:07,479
a UFO fanatics since I actually saw I've

1784
01:29:16,529 --> 01:29:12,819
actually seen a couple of UFOs in in my

1785
01:29:20,839 --> 01:29:16,539
previous history over the past 20 years

1786
01:29:25,409 --> 01:29:20,849
I mean I'm 33 years old now and I've

1787
01:29:27,010 --> 01:29:25,419
seen those I was quite a long time they

1788
01:29:30,730 --> 01:29:27,020
really

1789
01:29:41,550 --> 01:29:30,740
it makes me question quite a lot because

1790
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:41,560
there is a bit of a conflict because

1791
01:29:53,470 --> 01:29:48,410
with the the issue of I suppose a

1792
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:53,480
ghostly presence and then UFOs in terms

1793
01:29:59,800 --> 01:29:56,810
of a scientifical presence it's a bit of

1794
01:30:01,750 --> 01:29:59,810
a conflict there and it's it's really

1795
01:30:07,410 --> 01:30:01,760
troubled me over the past few years

1796
01:30:10,480 --> 01:30:07,420
because I'm like well the biggest

1797
01:30:13,270 --> 01:30:10,490
scientifically and and and ghostly godly

1798
01:30:16,570 --> 01:30:13,280
in a way has been quite a bit of a

1799
01:30:19,540 --> 01:30:16,580
conflict so I'm like what do what do I

1800
01:30:23,950 --> 01:30:19,550
understand where do I go what do I you

1801
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:23,960
know what is life what death it really

1802
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:26,210
makes me sort of question everything

1803
01:30:32,740 --> 01:30:30,050
really because I really don't know what

1804
01:30:33,910 --> 01:30:32,750
to understand where to go and how do you

1805
01:30:38,770 --> 01:30:33,920
understand yeah I do

1806
01:30:41,860 --> 01:30:38,780
so what bill why don't you address the

1807
01:30:44,110 --> 01:30:41,870
you know the overall question you know

1808
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:44,120
it sounds you know where do you go where

1809
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:47,210
do we go to get answers you know we we

1810
01:30:52,450 --> 01:30:49,010
can talk to intelligent people that may

1811
01:30:54,220 --> 01:30:52,460
have had you know experiences but it

1812
01:30:58,450 --> 01:30:54,230
sounds like Jonathan's a little bit

1813
01:31:00,030 --> 01:30:58,460
tormented and where does one get relief

1814
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:00,040
I think about what he said earlier about

1815
01:31:05,710 --> 01:31:02,810
stopping these dreams from happening and

1816
01:31:10,710 --> 01:31:05,720
I wondered if Marcy had any power to

1817
01:31:17,350 --> 01:31:14,440
as soon as we left the house that as

1818
01:31:20,290 --> 01:31:17,360
soon as I had those as soon as I said

1819
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:20,300
stop having us I does those nightmares

1820
01:31:23,740 --> 01:31:22,610
yeah okay Jonah when I was around I

1821
01:31:25,480 --> 01:31:23,750
think eight years old

1822
01:31:27,580 --> 01:31:25,490
all-righty way thank you so why don't

1823
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:27,590
you listen to the reply off the air

1824
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:32,090
alright thank you for calling in I'm

1825
01:31:37,990 --> 01:31:34,970
just glad I actually got a chance to to

1826
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:38,000
see you guys yes and thank you very much

1827
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:39,770
I'll continue to watch very good thanks

1828
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:41,170
a lot now

1829
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:45,050
thank you I'm not English so so bill go

1830
01:31:51,370 --> 01:31:48,290
ahead you know it I'm sorry I was going

1831
01:31:53,440 --> 01:31:51,380
to say it it's interesting because he

1832
01:31:56,550 --> 01:31:53,450
did put into words what a lot of people

1833
01:32:01,600 --> 01:31:56,560
and myself included at one point in time

1834
01:32:03,550 --> 01:32:01,610
it is it is kind of a torment with it

1835
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:03,560
being the unknown I don't think there's

1836
01:32:09,310 --> 01:32:06,770
a conflict necessarily between you know

1837
01:32:13,710 --> 01:32:09,320
UFOs and ghosts or things like that

1838
01:32:21,460 --> 01:32:18,130
you know unknown kind of behavior and if

1839
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:21,470
if the multiverse theory is correct it

1840
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:24,050
would it would really they could all be

1841
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:25,970
on the same bus doesn't mean they know

1842
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:27,770
each other but you know and when people

1843
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:29,930
talk about the you know cryptids when

1844
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:32,090
people talk about UFOs and people talk

1845
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:34,690
about ghosts you know if you see a ghost

1846
01:32:42,100 --> 01:32:37,730
and I'll plug Paul again because for

1847
01:32:44,470 --> 01:32:42,110
once said if you see a ghost outside or

1848
01:32:47,740 --> 01:32:44,480
it's a UFO if you see it inside the

1849
01:32:51,970 --> 01:32:47,750
ghost you know so I mean we kind of look

1850
01:32:54,670 --> 01:32:51,980
at things in context you know what's the

1851
01:32:56,620 --> 01:32:54,680
UFO versus you know well if UFOs are

1852
01:32:59,560 --> 01:32:56,630
traveling for the multiverse and maybe

1853
01:33:02,770 --> 01:32:59,570
the US and aliens and entity the same

1854
01:33:04,510 --> 01:33:02,780
way that an entity as Lily streets an

1855
01:33:07,450 --> 01:33:04,520
entity I mean it could be different

1856
01:33:10,300 --> 01:33:07,460
entities but it may in fact be more

1857
01:33:13,090 --> 01:33:10,310
similar than than we think so that

1858
01:33:16,900 --> 01:33:13,100
that's I think one part to put out yeah

1859
01:33:19,900 --> 01:33:16,910
yeah no it makes sense you know that

1860
01:33:21,250 --> 01:33:19,910
that yeah that they yeah like I said

1861
01:33:22,690 --> 01:33:21,260
they're on the same bus that they don't

1862
01:33:25,090 --> 01:33:22,700
know each other and that would explain

1863
01:33:27,870 --> 01:33:25,100
you know a lot of things and and that's

1864
01:33:31,330 --> 01:33:27,880
not a new that's not Mike you know

1865
01:33:33,700 --> 01:33:31,340
that's not a new but the other thing

1866
01:33:37,180 --> 01:33:33,710
it's funny many years ago I was really

1867
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:37,190
really into UFOs and I mean they still

1868
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:39,650
fascinate me now but it's you know it's

1869
01:33:45,460 --> 01:33:42,970
tough because because our military

1870
01:33:47,950 --> 01:33:45,470
builds so many things and you may not

1871
01:33:50,050 --> 01:33:47,960
see them for 30 or 40 years so there's a

1872
01:33:53,709 --> 01:33:50,060
lot of stuff that could look like UFOs

1873
01:33:57,250 --> 01:33:53,719
that doesn't mean I discount you know

1874
01:33:59,739 --> 01:33:57,260
all the UFO stuff but it just makes it

1875
01:34:01,989 --> 01:33:59,749
so frustrating to try to understand yeah

1876
01:34:07,450 --> 01:34:01,999
try to separate one thing from you know

1877
01:34:10,419 --> 01:34:07,460
a bad bad witness me or just an unknown

1878
01:34:13,359 --> 01:34:10,429
craft because I've seen him on you I've

1879
01:34:17,259 --> 01:34:13,369
seen I saw one on YouTube and it wasn't

1880
01:34:19,709 --> 01:34:17,269
a fake and it was amazing I mean that

1881
01:34:22,029 --> 01:34:19,719
thing looked like a UFO and the

1882
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:22,039
government ended up coming out and

1883
01:34:27,790 --> 01:34:25,210
saying now that we were testing you know

1884
01:34:30,459 --> 01:34:27,800
we're testing this and that's what they

1885
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:30,469
built it you know it wasn't luck it was

1886
01:34:36,100 --> 01:34:33,130
one of the things that they were able to

1887
01:34:38,500 --> 01:34:36,110
you know there wasn't like so top secret

1888
01:34:42,430 --> 01:34:38,510
or evidently it was it was I think it

1889
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:42,440
jad or something but it I look crazy on

1890
01:34:47,859 --> 01:34:45,050
film so when you get it so there's a lot

1891
01:34:49,839 --> 01:34:47,869
of things that have been mistakenly UFOs

1892
01:34:51,370 --> 01:34:49,849
or a Loch Ness monster or whatever would

1893
01:34:55,089 --> 01:34:51,380
there was this submarine that was

1894
01:34:57,850 --> 01:34:55,099
mistaken as a you know lake monster and

1895
01:34:59,979 --> 01:34:57,860
then there was there's plenty of I

1896
01:35:02,500 --> 01:34:59,989
talked to retirement retired and

1897
01:35:05,259 --> 01:35:02,510
intelligence officer and he says I can't

1898
01:35:07,540 --> 01:35:05,269
tell you the amount of times people said

1899
01:35:09,310 --> 01:35:07,550
something was a UFO and it was just it

1900
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:09,320
was stuff we're working on he says and

1901
01:35:12,459 --> 01:35:10,610
guess what you're not going to see it

1902
01:35:15,339 --> 01:35:12,469
for 30 years you know and you may not

1903
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:15,349
see it at all you know so it gets

1904
01:35:19,629 --> 01:35:17,210
confusing but back to the back to the

1905
01:35:22,029 --> 01:35:19,639
original thing I remember when I was

1906
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:22,039
really into UFOs and I was buying these

1907
01:35:28,810 --> 01:35:26,090
really cool books from this this guy who

1908
01:35:31,509 --> 01:35:28,820
had a UFO catalog and that's all he sold

1909
01:35:32,890 --> 01:35:31,519
was like your full books you know and I

1910
01:35:34,870 --> 01:35:32,900
remember talking to him on the phone

1911
01:35:37,509 --> 01:35:34,880
because I had question on a few books I

1912
01:35:39,609 --> 01:35:37,519
said this is so fascinating I say you

1913
01:35:40,450 --> 01:35:39,619
must go nuts over this stuff and he says

1914
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:40,460
no not anymore

1915
01:35:45,489 --> 01:35:43,489
I said why he says you know it just gets

1916
01:35:47,169 --> 01:35:45,499
so frustrating you know you read and

1917
01:35:48,790 --> 01:35:47,179
read and read you think you're finding

1918
01:35:50,259 --> 01:35:48,800
out new stuff and you think you're

1919
01:35:52,330 --> 01:35:50,269
getting answers and he said and

1920
01:35:57,149 --> 01:35:52,340
ultimately in the end we just don't know

1921
01:36:03,250 --> 01:35:57,159
yeah so it's true and it go ahead

1922
01:36:04,359 --> 01:36:03,260
no gonna give up but I but that was the

1923
01:36:06,430 --> 01:36:04,369
first time I heard about that

1924
01:36:07,660 --> 01:36:06,440
frustration and I remember reaching it

1925
01:36:10,270 --> 01:36:07,670
myself where I had

1926
01:36:12,130 --> 01:36:10,280
kind of stop reading about it for a

1927
01:36:13,390 --> 01:36:12,140
while because I was reading every UFO

1928
01:36:15,580 --> 01:36:13,400
book and I'm like you know when I'm

1929
01:36:17,530 --> 01:36:15,590
reading all this stuff and it still

1930
01:36:22,570 --> 01:36:17,540
comes to the to the end where we don't

1931
01:36:25,030 --> 01:36:22,580
know yeah so you know sometimes you do

1932
01:36:27,370 --> 01:36:25,040
get as this guy was saying you know

1933
01:36:29,500 --> 01:36:27,380
sometimes you do get burnt burnt out and

1934
01:36:32,830 --> 01:36:29,510
that is a frustration so I think all we

1935
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:32,840
could do is is you know be happy we're

1936
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:34,730
asking the questions and just you know

1937
01:36:40,030 --> 01:36:37,610
to keep searching and and I'm sure we'll

1938
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:40,040
find out that the paranormal is nothing

1939
01:36:43,830 --> 01:36:42,050
but normal it's just you know as we all

1940
01:36:48,610 --> 01:36:43,840
say all this stuff's undiscovered

1941
01:36:51,550 --> 01:36:48,620
science yeah I mean I'm sure we'll you

1942
01:36:53,950 --> 01:36:51,560
know we'll learn a lot yeah and then of

1943
01:36:56,470 --> 01:36:53,960
course new questions yeah like my son

1944
01:36:58,689 --> 01:36:56,480
has a good a good theory about that he

1945
01:37:01,120 --> 01:36:58,699
said whatever these things are they

1946
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:01,130
actually do have an answer it's just you

1947
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:03,890
know what is that answer is you know the

1948
01:37:09,700 --> 01:37:06,770
biggest question you know I mean there

1949
01:37:12,550 --> 01:37:09,710
is an answer to every poltergeist or

1950
01:37:16,900 --> 01:37:12,560
every ghost or every UFO and I do a show

1951
01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:16,910
on ufos by the way in and I know a lot

1952
01:37:22,510 --> 01:37:19,040
of people do get I do hear that

1953
01:37:25,330 --> 01:37:22,520
frustration from people that have been

1954
01:37:28,300 --> 01:37:25,340
in the field a long time they get burnt

1955
01:37:29,979 --> 01:37:28,310
out and a lot of it has to do with you

1956
01:37:33,130 --> 01:37:29,989
know they're looking for an answer they

1957
01:37:34,270 --> 01:37:33,140
think they're getting close and you know

1958
01:37:37,090 --> 01:37:34,280
they're right back where they started

1959
01:37:39,189 --> 01:37:37,100
and I've been doing that show for five

1960
01:37:41,350 --> 01:37:39,199
years and you know I kind of feel that

1961
01:37:52,209 --> 01:37:41,360
way but it's still very interesting to

1962
01:37:55,300 --> 01:37:52,219
talk about oh yeah you know still

1963
01:38:00,330 --> 01:37:55,310
fascinates me but I think my expectation

1964
01:38:03,310 --> 01:38:00,340
now you know is more in context you know

1965
01:38:06,939 --> 01:38:03,320
what I don't really have that same

1966
01:38:09,580 --> 01:38:06,949
frustration I think with on the the

1967
01:38:11,620 --> 01:38:09,590
ghost paranormal and and I think that's

1968
01:38:14,050 --> 01:38:11,630
only because maybe it's because they

1969
01:38:19,510 --> 01:38:14,060
don't really care what they are that's

1970
01:38:21,490 --> 01:38:19,520
kind of bad and I heard this from some

1971
01:38:23,170 --> 01:38:21,500
MUFON people you meet you

1972
01:38:25,480 --> 01:38:23,180
oh you know one guy says well you're

1973
01:38:27,130 --> 01:38:25,490
lucky you know because because all you

1974
01:38:28,990 --> 01:38:27,140
need is somebody complain in their house

1975
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:29,000
is haunted and you can go there and you

1976
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:31,010
can experience it and you can help them

1977
01:38:35,950 --> 01:38:32,330
get rid of it and stuff

1978
01:38:37,480 --> 01:38:35,960
he says us you know it's pop you know

1979
01:38:39,220 --> 01:38:37,490
you got to wait till you see something

1980
01:38:41,230 --> 01:38:39,230
or you hope somebody reports something

1981
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:41,240
and then you've got to wade through it

1982
01:38:46,330 --> 01:38:44,210
and and see is it is it real or is it

1983
01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:46,340
immerse misinterpretation and most of

1984
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:48,290
the time it's a misinterpretation so he

1985
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:50,330
was saying hey I'm jealous of you

1986
01:38:53,710 --> 01:38:51,890
because all you got to do is wait for

1987
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:53,720
somebody to call and say things are

1988
01:38:57,670 --> 01:38:55,730
moving in my house and and you you know

1989
01:39:00,700 --> 01:38:57,680
chances are you have you've got a you've

1990
01:39:04,630 --> 01:39:00,710
got something that that you can sink

1991
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:04,640
your teeth into you know so you so I I

1992
01:39:10,330 --> 01:39:08,330
do commend the people who Reese research

1993
01:39:12,340 --> 01:39:10,340
UFOs because and of course it's more

1994
01:39:14,770 --> 01:39:12,350
difficult than ever now you can't go buy

1995
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:14,780
any photos and you know but I think the

1996
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:16,970
real fascinating thing about UFOs gets

1997
01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:20,090
gets to the level of you know people

1998
01:39:24,580 --> 01:39:22,370
have been abducted when you hear those

1999
01:39:29,470 --> 01:39:24,590
similar stories over and over in such my

2000
01:39:31,630 --> 01:39:29,480
new detail and psychologists you know

2001
01:39:33,130 --> 01:39:31,640
come up to me saying a been doing this

2002
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:33,140
for 30 years and they're telling the

2003
01:39:37,270 --> 01:39:34,850
same story they don't know each other

2004
01:39:40,450 --> 01:39:37,280
and it's been really my new detail so

2005
01:39:42,550 --> 01:39:40,460
that helps me there's something

2006
01:39:44,260 --> 01:39:42,560
fascinating there and even if it's not

2007
01:39:47,170 --> 01:39:44,270
alien I don't care what it is somebody

2008
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:47,180
says oh it's mass hypnosis yeah well if

2009
01:39:50,650 --> 01:39:49,250
it is then we better figure it out

2010
01:39:52,480 --> 01:39:50,660
because we don't know anything that

2011
01:39:54,670 --> 01:39:52,490
exists like that so there's something

2012
01:39:58,530 --> 01:39:54,680
fascinating in there no matter what yes

2013
01:40:01,030 --> 01:39:58,540
and I think you know it I think it's

2014
01:40:02,770 --> 01:40:01,040
there's like a hundreds hundreds of

2015
01:40:05,110 --> 01:40:02,780
thousands of people reporting the same

2016
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:05,120
thing you know in this in this country

2017
01:40:11,590 --> 01:40:07,850
in the United States and you know it's

2018
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:11,600
something that perhaps the you know

2019
01:40:16,660 --> 01:40:14,210
therapists and psychiatrists should take

2020
01:40:19,450 --> 01:40:16,670
more serious and look into it more I

2021
01:40:22,900 --> 01:40:19,460
think but now we're way off we're way

2022
01:40:25,690 --> 01:40:22,910
off the ghost topic so but I'm wrapping

2023
01:40:27,010 --> 01:40:25,700
up the show and it's been a real

2024
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:27,020
pleasure and I wanted to ask you do you

2025
01:40:42,870 --> 01:40:36,970
really trying to get back into it as

2026
01:40:45,490 --> 01:40:42,880
people say it's a too long loss and and

2027
01:40:49,530 --> 01:40:45,500
think is now he's popping books out

2028
01:40:52,300 --> 01:40:49,540
right now right so i'm phased here but

2029
01:40:53,950 --> 01:40:52,310
you know I had a few subjects I was

2030
01:40:56,260 --> 01:40:53,960
looking into but you know I want to make

2031
01:40:58,630 --> 01:40:56,270
sure it's something that I could really

2032
01:41:00,490 --> 01:40:58,640
dig into I don't want to do an urban

2033
01:41:03,070 --> 01:41:00,500
legend book I want to do something that

2034
01:41:06,550 --> 01:41:03,080
has you know real research in that I can

2035
01:41:11,370 --> 01:41:06,560
believe in and you know put kind of put

2036
01:41:13,870 --> 01:41:11,380
my stamp on it because you people have

2037
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:13,880
really liked that they commended me on

2038
01:41:18,430 --> 01:41:16,250
saying geez you know it sounds like you

2039
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:18,440
don't you know you're not out to pull

2040
01:41:22,660 --> 01:41:20,210
the wool over anyone's eyes you tell it

2041
01:41:24,910 --> 01:41:22,670
like it is and you know and and it's

2042
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:24,920
hard if you that's right you know Nick

2043
01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:27,890
but Nick Redfern is an expert at it I

2044
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:30,170
mean he you know he can put it out there

2045
01:41:34,990 --> 01:41:32,690
and say yeah end up with who knows but I

2046
01:41:36,970 --> 01:41:35,000
can't even get into it if I admire that

2047
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:36,980
but I can't get into it unless it's

2048
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:40,730
something that I truly think is not only

2049
01:41:45,220 --> 01:41:42,890
real but you know there's this story

2050
01:41:48,370 --> 01:41:45,230
there so you know but that's me it's

2051
01:41:50,050 --> 01:41:48,380
it's probably my own thing so I am going

2052
01:41:53,650 --> 01:41:50,060
to try well I appreciate that you do

2053
01:41:56,020 --> 01:41:53,660
that and I know I did hear you on

2054
01:41:58,560 --> 01:41:56,030
another interview saying that you know

2055
01:42:01,810 --> 01:41:58,570
you've heard a lot of rumors on this

2056
01:42:03,580 --> 01:42:01,820
bridgeport case but you wouldn't put any

2057
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:03,590
of those in your book because you wanted

2058
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:05,930
to hear directly from the source instead

2059
01:42:10,150 --> 01:42:07,850
and you know that's what keeps things

2060
01:42:14,620 --> 01:42:10,160
more interesting and more true and I do

2061
01:42:18,250 --> 01:42:14,630
appreciate that you do that oh thank you

2062
01:42:22,510 --> 01:42:18,260
yeah I put in but I said I couldn't

2063
01:42:23,980 --> 01:42:22,520
verify it or you know but yeah there's

2064
01:42:27,370 --> 01:42:23,990
an that I didn't want to cloud it cuz

2065
01:42:30,490 --> 01:42:27,380
yeah there's there's crazy rumors about

2066
01:42:34,030 --> 01:42:30,500
lonely street and that's a case that I I

2067
01:42:37,150 --> 01:42:34,040
know is real so yeah it becomes very

2068
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:37,160
difficult you know I mean we we get

2069
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:38,960
stuff wrong that's really normal and

2070
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:40,970
boring so you can just imagine the

2071
01:42:49,350 --> 01:42:44,770
rumors that round about yeah right and

2072
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:49,360
so your website is William J Hall off

2073
01:42:57,220 --> 01:42:54,130
calm and the book don't forget it's of

2074
01:42:59,979 --> 01:42:57,230
the world's most haunted house the story

2075
01:43:02,529 --> 01:42:59,989
of the Bridgeport poltergeist on Lindley

2076
01:43:04,779 --> 01:43:02,539
Street and that's available on Amazon

2077
01:43:08,799 --> 01:43:04,789
thanks so much I really had a fun time

2078
01:43:10,930 --> 01:43:08,809
tonight yes I did too

2079
01:43:12,700 --> 01:43:10,940
thank you and if you do order it from my

2080
01:43:15,669 --> 01:43:12,710
site of course I'll sign it for you

2081
01:43:17,290 --> 01:43:15,679
include include some surprises so and I

2082
01:43:20,859 --> 01:43:17,300
and I've got the second book haunted

2083
01:43:24,060 --> 01:43:20,869
house diaries which includes a diary of

2084
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:24,070
many many years of audience so excellent

2085
01:43:32,740 --> 01:43:27,050
all right bill thank you very much have

2086
01:43:34,390 --> 01:43:32,750
a good night now thank you - bye all

2087
01:43:37,330 --> 01:43:34,400
right everyone so thanks so much for

2088
01:43:40,689 --> 01:43:37,340
listening next week we'll be back with

2089
01:43:42,250 --> 01:43:40,699
Denver Michaels that's his name and he

2090
01:43:46,379 --> 01:43:42,260
is going to be talking about Lake

2091
01:43:49,149 --> 01:43:46,389
Monsters that should be an interesting

2092
01:43:51,910 --> 01:43:49,159
interesting show so we'll be back next

2093
01:43:54,339 --> 01:43:51,920
week I think it's 9 o'clock that show

2094
01:43:57,370 --> 01:43:54,349
time but I'm not really sure well so